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werexallxdead · #21 (**permalink**) 11-03-2009, 01:58 PM

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Nice Little Set-Up, One Thing, You Might Want To Get A Fan Blowing The Air Around, It Will Help In Many Was, & Main Thing Make Your Plants Stronger.

thanks hatch...cant see it in the pics but there is a fan in there...also since i dont really have ventilation set up ive been leaving the closet door open for about an hour a day with the fan outside the door blowing fresh air in =)

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Hey Dead,

Seems like you're doing a lot of the same things I did. I decided to veg 24/0 also and I had times of really low humidity also (37% being the lowest I can remember). It didn't seem to affect the plants in a negative manner and since then humidity has gone as high as 55%. Right now I'm probably right around 42%. I wouldn't worry about the hydroton being dry on top, mine was also. Hydroton wicks up water an inch or two from the water then stops wicking for some reason after that. I had no problems and I experienced the exact same thing as you.

I think you're doing fine so far.

-the Corsican.

thanks corsican...ive got the remote thing for the temp/humid meter set up on a shelf in there now and the meter itself right under the lights...room temp from the remote is staying mid to high 70s and humidity is right around 40...temp right under the lights is around 78 to 81 and humidity is lower closer to 30...this morning when i checked them the leaves were starting to droop just a little bit...not much but a little...think i might have gotten the cubes too wet yesterday as i misted a bunch of times trying to keep things moist and get some extra humidity in the air...today i will try my hardest to leave them alone and see how they look tomorrow...im starting to feel a little obsessive about it and i most likely need to just smoke a bowl and try to ignore my o.c.d. =)

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I believe you are doing fine, in my humble and novice opinion, though I do think they could benefit from a bit of a higher humid, just for the sake of their well being. However, it's up to your eye to see if they show signs of overtranspiration (very edgy tips, leaf texture and such).. When they are kids they tend to suck up on some humid by the leaves..

This is the tread that made me go for the humidity thing.. Though I am on soil and they were a bit smaller than yours at the time being..

help with first time grow

hope this helps. nice growing & peace

thanks for the good info...im going to get one of those little humidifiers as soon as i can...for now i have no money so theyre just going to have to live...my girlfriend suggested placing a bucket of warm water in the room as that would help raise the humidity a little...may try it...going to try my best to just stay out of there today though cause i feel like ive been doin too much...you know?

geegee2 · #22 (**permalink**) 11-03-2009, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by werexallxdead

thanks for the good info...im going to get one of those little humidifiers as soon as i can...for now i have no money so theyre just going to have to live...my girlfriend suggested placing a bucket of warm water in the room as that would help raise the humidity a little...may try it...going to try my best to just stay out of there today though cause i feel like ive been doin too much...you know?

Totally dig the money issue.. been there...

One thing I did while I waited for the humid was to get some transparent tupperwares that were quite large and elongated, and I would put them over the plants (like a propagation dome) but then, they were smaller than yours are.. I would let them breath every once every 6 hours (gut feeling)..

Maybe the warm water will help, haven't tried that one though, but do check the temps!

Growing is such a nice thing.. it's so addictive, myself, I just want to stay all day at home just to see the ladies and watch them grow.. But as some have said, it's WEED! They don't need pampering nor over attention! so let them be for a while...

BTW, I don't know if it's been said on this thread, but you could try to make a relfector so that you won't loose the light going up to the ceiling from the bulbs.. Mylar seems to be the loved all around, but it can be somehow expensive.. Someone said that first aid wrappers for trekkers (for hipotermia) are quite cheap and will do the trick!

peace bro

werexallxdead · #23 (**permalink**) 11-03-2009, 04:19 PM

yeah upgrading the light setup is definitely on the list...but theres a few bills ahead of it on that list...if the power gets shut off there wont be ANY light...lol

geegee2 · #24 (**permalink**) 11-03-2009, 07:51 PM

Pay the electric bill!

greengiant · #25 (**permalink**) 11-03-2009, 08:53 PM

I used to hang a wet beach towel in my grow room before I had a humidifier. somewhere near your fan should be good. It's not gonna get rid of your "problem" but it should help a little.

werexallxdead · #26 (**permalink**) 11-04-2009, 12:23 AM

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Originally Posted by greengiant

I used to hang a wet beach towel in my grow room before I had a humidifier. somewhere near your fan should be good. It's not gonna get rid of your "problem" but it should help a little.

good advice...i hung a couple wet towels in there and now its up to 50%...they still look happy and healthy...even the one with the broken stem...in fact they look about exactly the same as they did when i put them in...im hoping the roots are growing in there cause nothings happening up top

can someone with dwc experience tell me how long it generally takes for the roots to make it through the hydroton and out the net? the roots were just barely peeking out the bottoms of the cubes when i put them in...i know they have a good amount of hydroton to work their way through...the only way to see if the roots are growing at all would be to take one of the cubes out and i obviously cant do that cause it would damage the roots if they were growing..

sigh...i just want to see something happening...lol

The Corsican · #27 (**permalink**) 11-04-2009, 06:36 AM

Hey dead,

Your net pots are submerged about an inch into the water right? You should see roots in the water in about a week's time.

-the Corsican.

werexallxdead · #28 (**permalink**) 11-04-2009, 06:00 PM

thanks corsican...its only been 4 days...im just impatient...thats the main reason i went with dwc...i just need to chill out

werexallxdead · #29 (**permalink**) 11-04-2009, 06:42 PM

ok so i went and checked my girls for the first time today as i was at work...heres a photo update and some questions...

the first two pics is the one that the light fell on and her stem half broke...she is seriously drooping...stem is grey, brown around break...i think shes giving it up...and even if she could make it somehow theres no way she could support bud weight...im thinking that since they have only been in my buckets for like 4 days now i should most likely just let this poor baby go and go buy another clone...its sad but i dont see another choice =(

the second two pics is the best looking of the three girls and looks to be getting bushier in the middle...ive got nothing to complain about from her...i like my ladies thick...lol

ill make another post so i can show the third..

werexallxdead · #30 (**permalink**) 11-04-2009, 06:47 PM

the third isnt drooping and looks pretty much the same as she did when i got her but she looks like she has some discoloring on a couple of leaves? its not much so it may be something normal? i dont know...i did my best to get a close up pic...i can try to take better ones if need be...camera sucks though

The Corsican · #31 (**permalink**) 11-04-2009, 08:15 PM

Hey Dead,

Let the the crushed one keep growing, you never know you know?

As for the slight discoloration, I wouldn't worry too much. If you want to get proactive then give them some nutrients, maybe 200 PPM. They are clones not seedlings so they can handle nutrients. The nutes might help clear up the leaf blight. Pay attention to new growth, once a leaf has been blighted it will not heal up or look any better so you have to focus on the new growth to determine if things are going good or not.

Are you dosing them with nutrients yet? If not then give them a light dose. You can always give nutes to one bucket and then see how she responds.

Good growing,

-the Corsican.

werexallxdead · #32 (**permalink**) 11-04-2009, 08:26 PM

ive given them no nutes yet...only phed spring water with a small amount of canna rhizotonic about 1/2 of the suggested amount...was told by the guy at the hydro shop to just give them that for about a week then start them with half a dose of the floranova grow...ive been thinking about adding the floranova but was going on the advice dude gave me..

from the canna website..

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A dynamic Root Stimulator and Stress Reliever.
- Faster root development
- Strong roots
- Easy to use
- Increased resistance to disease
- For use in both indoor and outdoor cultivation
- Instantly absorbable
- More than 60 microbiological substances
- Multiple applications
- No harmful residues

Rhizotonic

CANNA Rhizotonic is a powerful, algae based, vegetable stimulator for roots of fast-growing plants that already have roots. Rhizotonic stimulates the further root development, increases the plant’s resistance to disease and promotes its inner and outer strength.
Rhizotonic is 100% natural, and contains multiple vitamins. Rhizotonic influences the root environment and is the ideal supplement for the plant environment created by the grower. Rhizotonic has a calming effect on plants, and is ideally suited for use when shipping or re-potting plants as well as to improving plants that are unhealthy or poorly developed.
Rhizotonic can be used regardless of the type of medium. It is suitable for cultivation in potting soil and hydroculture. Rhizotonic is often sprayed on leaves and can be used as simple means for raising the pH level in fertilizer tanks.

Root stimulant

Rhizotonoic adds more than 60 microbiological substances that considerably speed up the grow of a balanced root environment. Various trace elements, vitamins such as B1&B2 have been added to Rhizotonic in order to stimulated the plant production of hormones and rootgrow, thus providing better and stronger roots.
Vital plants
Good results start with a healthy plant. There are many different ways to stimulating plants aside from a healthy balance of EC levels, acidity, temperature, air and light. Rhizotonic does so during and in the rooting and growing phase. Another important element in Rhizotonic is the root-strengthening hormone Oligosaccharine. Scientific research showed its beneficial effect to the creation of root cells without any negative side effects. Your plants will be certain to get beautiful strong white roots with Rhizotonic.

The Corsican · #33 (**permalink**) 11-04-2009, 09:02 PM

Hi Dead,

I'm using FloraNova nutrients also. I'd cut that dosage back to about 1/3rd or a 1/4. A half strength dose might be a bit much at this point. You need to give them nutes slowly so you can learn what they like (You need to get a EC meter brother). Did you ever do a search on the Lucas growing method? It's basically growing with just FloraNova bloom nutes instead of using any grow nutes. Originally you would have just used the Micro and the Bloom but FloraNova Bloom is the Lucas Formula in one bottle. You top off with water and empty the res every two weeks and then refill with the appropriate amount of nutrients to water. This way you can grow without the need for an EC meter.

If you're unsure what to do (To nute or not to nute) give hatch or Toke a PM and ask them what they think. They both know a lot more about growing then I do.

-the Corsican.

werexallxdead · #34 (**permalink**) 11-05-2009, 05:17 AM

i figured id at least wait till the roots hit the water...maybe ill add some to my spray bottle...the broken one is completely dead and withered...the other 2 look great...been on 18/6 for 2 days now...they seem to like it...still using the wet towel to keep humidity up around 50 - 60...they seem to like that too

will be getting another clone today...also going to look at my venting and lighting issue...hopefully i can come up with a cheap solution..

The Corsican · #35 (**permalink**) 11-05-2009, 08:25 AM

Hey Dead,

yeah, I'm familiar with not having enough money to get what you need. One thing that people don't tell you when growing hydro style is all the cash it takes. Hell, just growing in general takes a good chunk of cake! HID lights = $200.00 Combo meter = $200.00 Veg lights = $100.00 Air pumps = $50.00 (so far) RubberMaid Totes = $20.00 Air Stones = $20.00 Nutrients = $45.00 and a bunch of odds and ends I haven't calculated and the total is...$645.00!!!

Ouch!

-the Corsican.

werexallxdead · #36 (**permalink**) 11-05-2009, 06:09 PM

ok need some help here...went and picked up another clone today to replace the one that died...got home all happy and high off the blackberry x cannalope haze i picked up as well...went to check my babies and found that the one that was looking thick and bushy yesterday when i posted and looked fine this morning before work is now droopy and wilted =(

heres what i know and what i did...

took the lid off the bucket...bottom of hydroton and net wet...still no roots coming through the net...

checked the ph of the water in the bucket...it was pretty high...from what ive read rockwool makes ph go up? and ive been misting the top of the hydroton and the rockwool with water with a tiny bit of rhizotonic in it which also raises ph...

i added a tiny tiny bit of floranova into the res checked ph again and it was a bit lower than i wanted so i added a tiny bit of rhizotonic (were talking a few drops of each here..) got ph to right in between 6.0 and 6.5 according to the gh color chart...

added more lights now there are 5 26 watt cfls over her rather than 2

early this morning humidity was good around 50% and temp was a bit low as i had the lights off for 6 hours it was around 65...when i got home and found her temp was 75 and humidity was 48% at plant level...

stopped at this point and dont know what to do

also the one the one with the discolored leaves from earlier post...still standing not wilting but that set of leaves is lighter than the rest of the plant now and more spotty...all leaves look like they want to droop at the end...havent checked the ph in that bucket yet but im sure its high too (buckets arent connected anymore like they were in my first post...each bucket is on its own)

would the high ph and lack of any nutes in the water cause this? too little light? lack of c02 or something else that i didnt know i needed? lol...i really dont want to lose my blue dream...they didnt have anymore so i got a strawberry cough clone to replace the broken one...now im afraid im gonna kill them all...sigh

first 3 pics are wilty plant today...4th one is how she looked yesterday...5th one is the one with the one with the discolored leaves

what should i do?

Hatch · #37 (**permalink**) 11-05-2009, 08:34 PM

Look's Like You Need To Set-Up A Drip System That Has A Drip Line To The Base Of Each Plant, But In Tell You Get That Going You Need To Hand Water, The Very Bad Wilted One Look's Thirsty. The Last Two Shots Of Plants Don't Look That Bad, I'll Tell Ya Right Know I'm Not A Great Fan Of Rock-Wool, I Have Seen It Give Many People Problems, & And Then Some People Work With It Just Fine ??? I Think The Ones That Prepare The R-W The Right Way & Soak Then In PH Have The Best Luck.
Another Thing, Do You Have Air-Stones In Each Bucket ??
You Might Want To Raise The Light A-Bit On The Ones That Need To Recover, And Do You Have A Fan Lightly Blowing The Air Around In There ?? , If Not You Need One.
The PH Being High Isn't A Good Thing Eihter, Try To Keep It In The Neighborhood Of 5.5 ph To 6.3 ph, It Will Go Up & Down, But Don't Mess With It Tell It Get's Out Of This Range, If It Get's Below - Add Tap Water, If It Is Above PH-Down, Either Or A-Little At A Time Tell You Get Use To The Water That You Are Working With, After You Add Something, wait 30min Before You Test It, Same With Adjustments Wait 30min Before You Test Again.

werexallxdead · #38 (**permalink**) 11-05-2009, 08:43 PM

thanks for taking a look hatch...i was afraid to over water so yeah i wasnt giving them much from the top just spraying it once or twice a day with a spray bottle...but the bottom of the net pot is touching the water so its wet on the bottom and around the sides of the net...there are 6 inch air stones in each bucket...yes there is a fan going at all times in there..

also...first three days i had the lights on 24/0 then switched to 18/6...they seemed to like it but thats the only thing that i really changed...it shocked me how the best looking plant that looked soooo good yesterday could be so wilted today...i was expecting to come home and find she had grown not wilted...sigh

Hatch · #39 (**permalink**) 11-05-2009, 08:53 PM

I Here Ya, That Is Never A Good Thing To Come Home To And Never A Good Sight.

But Get A Small Cup & Get Water From Your Buckets & Hand Water It & See If It Won't Bounce Back.

Everything Else Sounds Good.

The Corsican · #40 (**permalink**) 11-06-2009, 04:42 AM

I think you need to raise the water level past the bottom of the net cups, at least submerge the net pots into the water by about an inch. If the water is only touching the bottom of the net pots then most likely you're plants aren't getting any/enough water.

I was using the GH liquid test kit also. Try and get the color to an orange-yellow instead of just yellow. That should give you a ph of about 5.7 or 5.8..

-the Corsican.