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What's up guys. To make a long story short I basically am continuing a thread that I started over at Rollitup.org of my hydroponic cfl grow that I started about a month and a half ago. You can view the thread here. The thread basically spans 5 pages from the birth of the plants from seed to the first week of flowering in which the plants needed an emergency transplant into my dresser. Basically I needed to hide the plants and hide them fast so I ended up taking certain parts out of the drawers of my dresser to create a very sufficient and 100% stealth dresser grow setup.

My plants are about two weeks into flowering and both are female. Two are indoors in the stealth setup and the third one is outdoors but has no definite sexing signs yet. I also had three haze crossbreeds as you can see in the rollitup thread but they were sacraficed


So anyway since a good thread is always because of pictures I have compiled a nice array of photos from what the past 2 weeks of flowering have been like for me...hehe

This was before they were removed from the rubbermaid stealth grow and they were tied down..




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Stealth dresser!!!
I removed the bottoms from the middle drawers and used the top to hang the light fixture and the bottom to hold the plants. I finally removed the back panel from the bottom middle drawer so you have access to the plants when you take off the back panel of the dresser which is easily accessible. I've seen people make the back panel a hinged door and glue on all the drawer covers but I found it better to have working drawers that can easily be put back together afterwards.



A nice mix of 6500K and 3000K 26 watt CFLs. Ten of them to be exact..


I fixed the light shining through in those spots in the picture so it even less conspicious.




Here are some shots from looking into the third drawer...(sorry i wont be able to get overhead shots that easily in this new setup)









Yummy Foliage...



I am thinking of putting together a slideshow for each plant since I have pictures of their entire life dating back to the sprouting of the seeds. It looks cool just scrolling through them and watching the amazing growth of something so beautiful looking. i love this plant, plain and simple...ahhhh memoriesssss
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LOL stealth recon! welcome 4 2 0. good to have ya everthing looks nice, im liking the dresser idea.
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Yea, thank god for HIGH TIMES magazine. That guy completely gutted his dresser though and I decided to keep it more put together.
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ever thought of cutting the front off, gluing the the drawer fronts shut, putting hinges in and something like to magnetic cupboard closer or similar - it is a lot of work to start with but would make the access easier for you and reduce the risk that someone will notice your grow by just wondering past a nob ripping down a front panel and revealing your grow - just an idea to get it really fancy

and have you look yet into topping, as you very limited with space in your grow drawer, it reduces height and for every top you take you plant will grow 2 new leaving you with a small, densely bushy plant and if you tie down the branches as with LST you get a nice little tree of buds. with just LST alone you won't yield such effects in neither the same time nor space, therefore the combination of both methods could be very interesting for you
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ever thought of cutting the front off, gluing the the drawer fronts shut, putting hinges in and something like to magnetic cupboard closer or similar - it is a lot of work to start with but would make the access easier for you and reduce the risk that someone will notice your grow by just wondering past a nob ripping down a front panel and revealing your grow - just an idea to get it really fancy

and have you look yet into topping, as you very limited with space in your grow drawer, it reduces height and for every top you take you plant will grow 2 new leaving you with a small, densely bushy plant and if you tie down the branches as with LST you get a nice little tree of buds. with just LST alone you won't yield such effects in neither the same time nor space, therefore the combination of both methods could be very interesting for you

Yes I considered gutting the dresser because that's what the original article showed you to do but I want to keep the dresser in working order plus I pretty much get the same amount of space whether I glued the drawer fronts on or just had the sides hold them up. I want to be able to reassemble when I am finished in the future.

Also, if you check my pics before the plants were put in the dresser they were tied down because of height conditions and I have produced alot of inner growth. The bigger of the two might need to be tied down a little because it got a few burnt tips from the leaves touching the CFLs but nothing major.

As for topping I've heard that plants with removed/pruned leaves or stems do not produce more yield then it's worth to do it in the first place. That a perfectly left alone plant will grow just as good. I might consider tying down the top of the bigger plant once more but that's about it I think.

I like the suggestions though, thanks.
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ive done a dresser grow also. had great success. yours looks good. i am now legal in the state of or(i hope i can say that im new here). so i dont have to go stealth. just set up an areojet 24. i am excited
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ive done a dresser grow also. had great success. yours looks good. i am now legal in the state of or(i hope i can say that im new here). so i dont have to go stealth. just set up an areojet 24. i am excited

You're lucky man! How did you manage to do so? Did you get a 215 card or did the state laws change there?? I'm really curious as to why NY hasn't gone medical yet.




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You're lucky man! I wish I could have my plants growing out on a counter like a decoration because I am one of the few to have legal marijuana. How did you manage to do so? Did you get a 215 card or did the state laws change there?? I'm really curious as to why NY hasn't gone medical yet.

Unfortunately I still live with my mother so it was only a matter of time before she stumbled upon the setup. I made it all the way till a week into flowering before it was noticed which is pretty good but now all is well after the emergency transplant because it's literally impossible to know they are still here.

If you or anyone else has any idea on how to convince a mother that growing weed in my room isn't wrong then let me know...until then I have to keep it stealth!!! She knows that I smoke it which means she probably figures I go and pick it up so my only good reason for it was,

"If I'm going to do it anyway wouldn't you rather me grow it safely indoors rather then me driving around to pick it up from dealers and risk getting in trouble?"

I still feel that this wouldn't work though so if you can think of something better I am all ears. I'd like to educate my mom that marijuana is harmless and poses no threat to her house nor is it any risk running a few CFLs with 2 small plants. Ayayay...moms are a pain

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Here's some info that might help you with supercropping or LST'ing your plants.

Low Stress Training ~ LST'ing with hardware and wieghts

A lot simpler than tying your plants down and not hard at all to do. Good looking plants. You are doing wonderful! If you get that slide show going, let us know.

How about taking a wander over to the Introduce yourself thread and tell us a bit about yourself. Lots of peeps just waiting to welcome you.

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As for topping I've heard that plants with removed/pruned leaves or stems do not produce more yield then it's worth to do it in the first place. That a perfectly left alone plant will grow just as good. I might consider tying down the top of the bigger plant once more but that's about it I think.

I like the suggestions though, thanks.
to my observation, at least with most strains, this is not the case. If you grow the usual indoor "christmas tree" you end up with one sweet cola, some good site buds, some small buds and lots of tiny stuff. Once the plant loses its tip it will grow 2 to replace the lost one, and if this step is taken ahead of time you will end up with a plant grown after a single topping into a stem splitting into 2 strong stems which both will grow branches and each a huge main cola. And taking in consideration that there is not the space to grow to "full" size as outdoors the colas will carry the main bulk. the one thing here that is also to be kept in mind is to provide enough volume for the roots to grow, the root system must be able to support multiple colas growing on a single plant.
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to my observation, at least with most strains, this is not the case. If you grow the usual indoor "christmas tree" you end up with one sweet cola, some good site buds, some small buds and lots of tiny stuff. Once the plant uses its tip it will grow 2 to replace the lost one, and if this step is taken ahead of time you will end up with a plant grown after a single topping into a stem splitting into 2 strong stems which both will grow branches and each a huge main cola. And taking in consideration that there is not the space to grow to "full" size as outdoors the colas will carry the main bulk. the one thing here that is also to be kept in mind is to provide enough volume for the roots to grow, the root system must be able to support multiple colas growing on a single plant.

I looked into both LST and Supercropping awhile back and I think it's a really good idea. I've seen plants with the tops cut off in which they swell up almost and split into two really strong stalks. I'm kind of hessitant to cut anything off the plants being its a first grow and since you said it's better to do it earlier on I'll probably wait till next grow when I am more confident.

As of now I'm just happy that my first grow was successful with little to no health issues. The plants are nice and green and are just starting to bud which I'm very excited about. I was curious as to how many bud sites there would be and I figured the massive amounts of new tops that I grew would give the plant more places to grow bud. We shall see. My inner growth has about 4-5 nodes on each new shoot so it's pretty well developed all around.

Is it too late to top the plant at this point? Is it too late for LST or supercropping? I might just wait till the next crop to introduce something new.
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I'm kind of hessitant to cut anything off the plants being its a first grow and since you said it's better to do it earlier on I'll probably wait till next grow when I am more confident.
Hey FTZ,

I think you would be better off waiting till next grow to try something new. Your attitude of gaining a bit of confidence first is very sane and laudable. One step at a time and before you know it you will be a master grower.

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Quick Update: Both indoor plants are showing great amounts of white hairs protruding at the bud sites. Buds are in the earliest stages of forming on both plants. Today is day 17 of flowering and things seem to be moving along smoothly. Plants have no health/nutrient issues except for a slight burn on one of the leaves of one plant from an accidental CFL burn. Nothing but pistils are growing in the nodes and there is no sign of any male anatomy appearing or starting to appear anywhere so I am in the clear for two beautiful 100% females.

Since both plants are from bag seed and there is no definite answer as to what strain they are exactly I will give the plants nick names rather then numbering them. I think it'll be more fun that way regardless. Oh and don't question the names because I was high when I thought of them. Thanks. ;)

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Day 46 (Flowering Day 17)


Plant two was decided to be my, "Big Lady"




Plant Three is now nick named, "Shorty".



Take a look at Big Lady's canopy filling up the atmosphere.




A quick look into the past
Here's a random shot from an earlier date during the growth of these plants.

These are from early July. This is the setup that my current two biggest females started in. It was a Drip Water Culture setup with a reservoir that pumped water to the vermaculite/perlite growing medium two times a day.



I loved this setup because it required almost no attention and everything was perfect. I knew that each plant was getting the same exact amounts of water and nutrients at the same exact time each day. This made it easier if there was any health problems that I could immediately disregard the over or underwatering and nutrient deficiency if any of the plants were different.







PLANT SLIDESHOWS
I started to make slide shows of the plant's lives and I only finished one of them so far. I am going to make a more easy to look at web page whenever I get a chance so you can see the one i finished either way.

Big Lady - July/August

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Flowering Day 18
There is a tremendous amount of white hairs filling each node and a tiny bud has formed on each top. The aroma is beginning to get really sweet and potent, it smells awesome.


Here is a bud site on Big Lady. Apologies for the quality.




This is one of the lowest tops that grew in and fortunately there is still bud growth there as well. Not as fast but it's moving along which means the light actually penetrates more then I thought it would.


Bud sites on Shorty.



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nice FTZ those things are looking crazy. definitely try the magnifying glass with the phone cam. it works wonders with mine. check out the picks on my journal i just took today.
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I have a question about nutrients during flowering. I've heard that most people stop using nutrients for the last few weeks of their plant's lives in order to keep the nutrient taste out of the final smoke product. So if flowering usually takes about 2 months should you only use nutes for the first month or something?

Plus how important is it to use a more phosphorus based nutrient during flowering? I used 10-15-10 Shultz every other watering during veg but have not switched to flowering nutes yet as it's hard to find a phosphorus based fertilizer around here.
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Update
Day 49 (Flowering Day 20) - I tied some of the new tops to pull them outwards more so they make more of a canopy to try and induce more light on them.


Overall shot of Big Lady



Overall of shorty



A few of many Bud sites ;)











I could smell these all day! It's like a really potent sweet aroma. The bud sites look like the top of a nice fresh nugget up close. I can already tell these plants are going to make some awesome looking buds. Things are going very well and I should expect bud from both of these guys within a few weeks I hope. I can't wait to come back and post some really big buds. Thanks for looking.

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I have a question about nutrients during flowering. I've heard that most people stop using nutrients for the last few weeks of their plant's lives in order to keep the nutrient taste out of the final smoke product. So if flowering usually takes about 2 months should you only use nutes for the first month or something?

Plus how important is it to use a more phosphorus based nutrient during flowering? I used 10-15-10 Shultz every other watering during veg but have not switched to flowering nutes yet as it's hard to find a phosphorus based fertilizer around here.

Since you are already used to Schultz products why not Schultz Bloom
10-54-10. I am using it now to help my ladies out. Of course I am outside.
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10-54-10. I am using it now to help my ladies out. Of course I am outside.

You don't think that 54% is too strong? I actually have a Miracle-Gro Bloom Booster which is 10-52-10 but one of my friends said that it isn't safe for some reason? Is there any problem with this stuff during flowering? It's almost identical to the Shultz product you suggested.
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