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subcool · #21 (**permalink**) 06-29-2009, 07:03 PM

Its really cool you guys are digging on this stuff it actually was the raw material that became the book Dank but Ed wouldnt let me put all of em in there so this is a much more detailed report.
I think Cannabis is ****ing cool!

subcool · #22 (**permalink**) 06-29-2009, 07:06 PM

This is new stuff and will most likey run in an up coming Hightimes so you guys get to see it first

Black Russian is one of the most amazing looking strains ever to be photographed and one of the main reasons that I am a writer, let me explain. I have been growing Cannabis and taking pictures of it for a little less than 10 years and I love documenting as many strains as I possibly can. To me a seed is like a box of cracker jacks and I can’t wait to see the surprise I get each time I grow a new strain from seed.
I had never really submitted any work to a magazine before choosing the immediate feed back of the internet and sites like Overgrow and Breedbay until one day when someone I know sent pictures of my Black Russian clone into Hightimes and it was immediately published based on looks alone.
I decided if a plant I was growing was going to be in a magazine I better do it right so I used the text from the online post and the pictures I had taken to put together an article that I submitted to Danny Danko and the next thing I know I was a contributing writer to several magazines and now I have my own book published by Ed Rosenthal.
Black Russian went on to become extremely famous and to this day breeders offer crosses made using the hybrids I created using the Solid Purple female and the dark magenta male used to create the f2 we released. I do not like Black Russian and we offer no hybrids of the parents now and no one in our circle of medical growers still grows it. But Why? I thought it would be cool to tell the behind the scenes story and shed some light on why I don’t smoke or even grow one of the most sought after crosses to surface in a long time.
Like everyone else I was blown away by the looks of the Black Russian female we found using seeds from Nebu. Jill had met him once and he had given her a few packs of his seeds and when I landed out west I had seen pictures of Nebu’s work and figured I had to give it a shot. We shared the 5 seeds with friends up north and I ended up with a few females and a few males and choose the female and male based on things I have learned to look for over the years. I actually asked Nebu if this was ok and his response was to have at it. Everyone but me was gaga over the Purple buds I thought it had a weird taste of musk and pepper that over powered the nice Grape smell and taste that lurked underneath each toke. Meanwhile everyone was Screaming give us Black Russian f2’s so I did and they were released to the growing public. About 75% of the females found from seed turned an amazing color but I caught hell from every grower that didn’t get a Purple phenotype. I thought I could improve the potency and taste possibly by crossing the strain with one of my favorite mother plants Apollo-13 and used the Black Russian male to pollinate A-13 and create the strain we called Sputnik. I grew out the new sibling cross and we found a nice ratio of Deep Pink females and ones that only exhibited solid white pistils and green coloring. The surprising thing was the buds from the non colored females was much better tasting and severely more potent than the females that grew Pink Pot.
I was at this point convinced that Purple Pot and Potency were not necessarily conducive. I stopped being so impressed with purple weed and preached Purple was just a color and not indicative of quality in any form other than looks. I passed the Mother and Father to a medical grower and ask him to keep them alive which he did not and it was about this time that everyone that was able to get a pack of my Black Russian F2’s started showing them off online and things got crazy. I had no more seeds to give out and the few distributors still holding packs were getting prices never heard of for pot seeds. The last pack sold went for 1000$ and I need to make clear none of it went into my pocket that’s taking advantage of people.

Once I moved out west I was able to sample some of the Kush’s that people like so much like OG Kush, Bubbu Kush and Chemdawg and I figured out I dislike the flavor of Kush! No matter what strain or how well its grown I do not like the hot taste of Kush Indicas and I now understand why so many people loved the Black Russian, Sputnik and the hybrids that spun off of this work. It wasn’t a bad strain just one I didn’t like the taste of.
See some people love Blue Cheese Dressing and it makes others cringe the same can be said for flavors in Cannabis I just found this out to late. It did teach me that there are many many palettes and everyone has different taste. No longer do I rush so fast to judgment based on taste. Black Russian always got me really high if I actually smoked a few bowls I just rarely got past the taste of the first bowl.
Once I relocated out west I was able to find an amazing tasting Urkle female that also turns an amazing color but nothing like the Neon Purple of Black Russian. The Urkle was however much much better pot and the strain we created with it Querkle is an amazing Indica with purple traits and a Grape taste that I enjoy every day! So I don’t hate purple anymore and that’s a very good thing. In Fact a new hybrid created using Querkle, Qleaner has become one of my favorite strains of all time! It taste like Grape Nehi Soda but has the added potency of Jacks Cleaner!

So that’s it the story of a strain you may have seen and why now its more of an urban legend than seeds people can actually acquire. Several breeders do offer hybrids they created using seeds I created though and that is one hell of an honor.

subcool · #23 (**permalink**) 06-29-2009, 07:09 PM

This strain was gifted to us by captain crunch and it was bred by shroomey. I was pretty excited about this strain at first its a Columbian gold cross but it had an agry buzz in the end. I ran her in soil and MzJill ran her in Hydro using Lucus. The water girl out yielded me by like 40%.
This strain is liked by many but after a few runs we let her slide on.

This is one that didn't make the book

subcool · #24 (**permalink**) 06-29-2009, 07:11 PM

So this one has a wierd story..
In the canopy pics From Fla I had plants that somehow didn't make the file Oscilate saved and returned to me just recently. Sensi Star and Kali Mist from Serious are two I can think of. I ran the Kali Mist and a few days before I had the dreadful visit from the weed goon squad I passed on the 4 males to Tommy^2 and he used one or all of them to pollenate a Blue Widow Female from NCGA.

The resulting cross was sent to me in bean form when I got out west and I ran em.
Incredible flavor and up racey buzz with a Lime margarita flavor the only problem is its the tallest plant I ever grew and just kills you canopy yield due to the bulb being raised so high.

Lets check her out.

subcool · #25 (**permalink**) 06-29-2009, 07:13 PM

This one comes with a story as well but I will keep in condensed.
I bought these seeds twice and lost em in the Leo attacks
Finally Suny ordered a pack and run em through and gave me a cut of the best female.
The first bubble that was popped was Serious stabilty this pack was all over the place and not one female resembled the other I feel this is caused by the age old practice of letting an f2 generation set up a future breeding pool using multiple males or something else I just know I expected Serious gear to be better.

Huge yields easy to grow ok taste and ok buzz.
I guess I just expected more and I was crushed when I reliesed my heros were just people

White Russian

* The Black Russian was even better IMO??

Hey I said she was big after some research Simon says (I kill myself) that you need to run 100 seeds to find a Cherry Ak pheno? What kinda BS is that? Well you run anything we have created and you don't find what ya want you just holler at old Sub

subcool · #26 (**permalink**) 06-29-2009, 07:16 PM

So Jill cracked some DB as soon as she got back here picking up my gear I was in the pokey and she was getting things started. She was medical long before I arrived. I had created this strain back east and I needed to see what old Taco had done to my favorite stash at the time Killer Queen.

The Mom and Father had already been passed to badboy up in the frozen white land and he got busy making more and while at it created a few others we will cover before this crazy trip is over.

She did not disapoint I was getting reports from BB telling me she was insane and we already released her on C-bay at a low cost like 40 usd and the bidding was steady and we started getting the reports of Cherry Dank back by the time she started getting frosty I was very excited and sure enough every girl had an amazing Cherry taste and great buzz and a very very short maturity time just like Killer Queen #3.

I may not have poly tunnels in Spain ( Yet) but we could easily win a contest in which you grew out 50 seeds grew out the females and compared the finished buds to each other she would win the Each damn female is bad ass and Cherry contest. Badboy selected the biggest yielder I have ever seen to create Danielle.

Maiden Run for Me

Danny Boy

Aka Killer taco

Who was Dannyboy?

I want to tell you the story of the strain Dannyboy and how it got it’s unusual strain name. Before I tell you about the strain let me tell you about the man. Growers by the nature of the game are a secluded lot. The Internet is a great way to still have some form of contact with other humans while not exposing your-self to the security risk of having people know where you live or even what you do. Running a grow is somewhat of a “ball and chain as you have chores to be done at least every 3 days and leaving a large indoor grow can always be a security risk so a grower can become secluded without this outlet.

I met a guy in 1993 that worked in the nighttime and seemed to always be online in the early mornings a lot as he ran a catering company that supplied coffee and donuts to job sites. Yes Blunt ran roach Coaches and they made great chili dogs! Over the years we became great friends meeting for the first time at the Jungle Juice Café in Schiphol airport in Amsterdam. I found out his name was Danny and from that day on we became brothers. I talked he listened and we saw the sites together, always returning to the net and telling all our friends about the cool **** we saw.

Danny always had my back and without getting to detailed he helped me get out of jail many times on his own dime. In 2001 I was working in Amsterdam for a seed distributor and Danny came to the cup for his second time in 2001 and on the second day passed away in his sleep at 38. Seems he had some health and job related stress issues he kept to himself. He was acting strange the night before he passed, winded, and I asked if he was ok, he replied he just needed to lie down and that’s the last time I spoke to him. Over 200 stoners from the Internet attended his funeral. His parents didn’t know a man could have so many friends. It seems everyone liked the guy.

The only true way I could think of to honor this man was to name my first strain after him. He was a big fan of fruity tasty strains and loved the Killer Queen harvested at day 55. Once I found the line I wanted to work with we selected a few males of Ortega X C99 and did some out crossing. The best female was named Taco by stoner friends who made a joke about Ortega being a food company. The male was selected from only 2 boys but heritage is everything in breeding and either would have been a great father. The final product is a hybrid Danny would have loved.

Tasting like Cherry Jolly Rancher Candy and just covered in thick large trichomes this plant is equally good as a head stash or a Bubble plant. It is so frosty I am sure the ratio when making bubble is very high. The dry kief from it is fruity and smooth and just lovely sprinkled on any bud. This weed smells and taste so much like cherries I was surprised at its finished color. Was just destiny and I am sure Blunt was helping from above...

From seed the plant stays very short with wide sharp leaf edges and a dark green color. Only topped once the females were just a short fat bush and as they matured very little stretch was present. Resin showed as early as 21 days and buy 30 days they reeked like Cherry gum drops. Later as the plant reached maturity it took on a solid white frost with a sour cherry smell, the first hit blew me away it was So tasty I was shocked. Once the buds dried and cured for 30 days I would just sit and smell the buds I almost got a Brandy snifter to do so. From clone the only difference in the growth was a faster finish

At First she was just a favorite of Jill and I and then Sunycheba got a cut and then Badboy was given the duplication project and while at it grew out several females all cherry and fruity and potent. The strain finishes very fast which is nice if you run a bit short close to harvest our phenotype was at least 10 days faster than any other strain in the garden. Her down side is she needs extra vegetive time to compete and yield heavy in soil she starts off slow and doesn’t hit her stride in the vegetive room till she’s over 30” tall. This strain has been around so much it has gained quite a following and recently a good friend Irishfatboy smoked some with Wille Nelson. My favorite story from his travels with Dannyboy in his stash is a buddy that was riding with him and when they stopped to break they had some DB bubble hash his friend says “ The colors are getting to me I need to lie down. Irishfatboy sent me a great picture of his buddy passed out on a beach with a huge smile on his face.

Another grower Ganjaden grew out Danny in large tubs full of soil and his results were amazing with his first harvest from a single pack of seeds coming in at over 26 ounces from 6 females. The more people grew her out the more everyone liked her.
I once did a thread on Overgrow detailing the 2001 Cannabis Cup and I mentioned Danny and his story and basically we sold out of the strain over night. We also have a Dannyboy BX or backcross that is a bit larger and more Killer Queen Dominant and that sold out as well. There are a few packs around but its not an easy strain to acquire in seed form anymore. The good news is a great cutting is pretty easy to find as more DB has been grown out than any TGA gear!

We have just released in limited numbers a Dannyboy X Spacequeen hybrid I named Danielle, which will be a limited offering and is available now at Cannaseur.com. We are making Dannyboy 2 but the Taco male was lost and the new cross will not be released until I am satisfied its better than the original. Dannyboy was also used in Sunychebas cross Black Cherry, the Black Russian father gave this hybrid a vivid magenta coloring in some phenotypes there aren’t many left in stock.

Even though not many at Hightimes knew of him or about his death, Danny was truly an American Stoner working his ass off running a business and relaxing with a nice bowl after work. Unfortunately due to the drug war it was usually brick weed, he never complained but he sure smiled when I sent him a care pack. He was the coolest dude I ever met and loosing him was like loosing my brother. He is truly the founding member of TGA and I miss him everyday.
I’d like to thank Danny Danko for allowing me to tell his story.
Respect and Honor

4evergreen · #27 (**permalink**) 06-29-2009, 07:56 PM

Thanks, great info!
Peace

land of the free · #28 (**permalink**) 06-29-2009, 08:31 PM

I'll have to save this thread for later tonight. I love all of this info you've brought to this site. Keep it coming my friend.

subcool · #29 (**permalink**) 06-29-2009, 09:20 PM

Ok back up afew pages and check out Hash Plant again remeber I said it was secured with BB? Well he wasn't all that great controlling pollen and a ****ing mess was made. lucky for us the house was full of Very nice moms and taco was a very good boy. Now for you proponants of use of multiple males do you thing we would have got these kind of results using 5 taco males? Wait there was only one never mind

Good thing the Ganja gods like us.
GoGo gadget karma

Now Badboy is my best man and he is the hardest working stoner you have ever met. These were grown by some FNG and unless I'm wrong he is the ****** that let taco dry out. Now these guys battle extreme conditions and Mites that apparantly bite so I aint mad I am more joking about it yes I wish we had Taco but in the scheme of things the genetics were not lost as I mentioned before so if that FNG is reading this it's all good man

I am stil blown away by this garden.

Want to see some big ****ing buds?

Yes I know its ridiculous

subcool · #30 (**permalink**) 06-29-2009, 09:23 PM

Another Colateral damage from the Taco male blowing his nads all over a HUGE room of plants I mean come on you have seen the size og BB's rooms I can't imagine a 6 foot male blowing up in one.

Apollo-13 X Ortega X Cindy how can that suck?
Well let me tell you friends and neighbors it does not

If you havn't seen the coolest smoke report ever written let me hook you up.

Hope your well!
You have told me how you love the indicas that you grew up smoking, how do you feel about a sativa?
I too mostly grew up on the heavy strains, a sativa was always a treat.
I have had audible/visuals trips on weed. I have "shrunk"
and had a couple surreal experiances, which brings me to this
astroboy.

The few tiny bottom/bottom buds dried on the moniter did absolutly nothing for me that I noticed.
So several days later I took the bud from the end of the branch that I had already molested,
threw it on a platter that mostly stays on my coffee table under a ceiling fan to dry out the wetass weed we smoke most of the time and let dry for a couple of days.
When I couldn't stand it any more I cut it up still pretty wet
bud, cleaned out my pipe and fired upabowl while *** slept.

It smoked real nice...THE END!

Haha............ Now REALLY what happened next hasen't happened since I was a teen.
Heart rate went up, and my mind
seemed like it was jacked into a mainframe.
The thoughts totatly detached and unrelated
rushed through my mind at a breakneck speed.
This **** ain't quite done with me yet though as it setteled down, well it seemed like it settled down but as I was about to find out it was only 1 "wave" of many.

I felt as if I was floating, my body very light and seemingly
barely attached to my mind.
I had a "third eye" that seemed to view a slide show,
in my head that was totatly unrelated to the mad rush of thoughts that had flooded back over me.
So there I sat looking in looking out not really seeing anything thinking "at least I'm not paranoid", while watching cartoons through my third eye.
I go up to my grow room to look at my plants almost 2 hrs. has passed since I smoked. I said **** this **** & loaded another bowl and fireditup.

Woke ***, and stared into space while she smoked a cigerette When I went to bed my body kept "sliding sideways across the bed while it maintaned the surreal unattached feeling. Laying there in the dark I watched what I mostly remember as Steamboat Mickey cartoons along with flashes of light, through my third eye, fianally going to sleep about 4:30 3 hrs. or so after I started my session.

I told you I'd tell you how it smoked...
It's a keeper for sure in my garden.
I'm letting it go a while longer as the trics are still most all clear, and it probably needs to settle down a little bit, I'm not as young as I used to be.
Take Care,
fried out

So when you see a friend of TGA say I want to see Mickey..Now ya know.

Now when they were sorting they mxed up a huge pan of Astroboy with some Connie and also some Danny. I would only release that pan as a Mix we named the Fiesta Mix. Most of these packs sold for 10-15-and a max of 20 USD.

Now you know the History of the first Mix.

Astroboy

subcool · #31 (**permalink**) 06-29-2009, 09:26 PM

Back at Squids while I was busy making Dannyboy I also selected a JCB male and back crossed the JC. This was a great chance to learn more about breeding and what parents lend to a sibling as I had grown both parents and got to know them in detail. Now one of the traits we want JC to pass on is yields she pays huge and so did the JC bx. I felt the variation was to great even though this strain won 3rd place at the 420 cup,

After growing out several and colecting data I passed on this cross as well.

Many people still grow her and she was used to make Soul Cleaner a very interesting cross.

Lets check her out

JC bx

JC f1 x JCB

This strain was needed to get to JTR
It taught us that Blueberry was a poor breeding male to use and we tossed the whole project

So if you think its about crossing this and that your right but its not about keeping em all but learning something from each try

subcool · #32 (**permalink**) 06-29-2009, 09:36 PM

No you cant get seeds of this strain anywhere please don't ask!

Lets take a quick peak into the making of Sputnik.
Now I am not going to re due the how we made this thread here but strictly keep the time line of things going. When we made the Black Russian f2 we also pollenated a Apollo with the idea of some colored dank. The male passed his colors on well so boosting the potency seemed only logical?

Well to say we were succesfull is just silly. Pink. Purple dripping buds with much better potency and flavor than BR. The spicy peper taste of the BR still lurks under but it simply taste devine and well have you seen weed this color before?

I have more pictures of this plant than anyother I have grown with the exception of JC so just enjoy the rainbow.

It made the cover of Bigbook 3 so I took the picture and bred the strain so yes I am proud!

lets look in.

We later found a better purple strain that we now breed with

subcool · #33 (**permalink**) 06-29-2009, 09:39 PM

With all the outcry for colored weed many people missed the fact the white phenotype was Extremly potent like see **** strong.

When selecting a male for the Sputnik 2 cross we selected non colored males.

Taste like Cream Soda

With a 2 month cure the sour came and it was just the best weed very fun buzz with instant results

subcool · #34 (**permalink**) 06-29-2009, 09:43 PM

Now this is one of the first crosses we did a fairly large selection starting with 50 seedlings and working our way down to the best male.

I really didnt know the responce would be so huge to this strain and it promply sold out. We made a second batch and its gone as well.

TOB is curently re selecting a male sp1 based on new data and she has the male picked out and him and Apollo-13 are growing we should have the new series this summer.

This first pic is one of my favorite from a friend of TGA

My Buddy Loran loves to brag about his huge OD

SP 2 is his favorite smoke.
Do you see a pattern emerging?
Research and More research yeilds the knowledge it takes to produce something worth keeping
We didnt keep these lines either Dammit!!

I found better

You'll see

subcool · #35 (**permalink**) 06-29-2009, 09:47 PM

Not a Closet

Not a factory but we do our very best

subcool · #36 (**permalink**) 06-29-2009, 09:58 PM

Thanks Vic High

Ok so follow along..
I have JC bx and I hate it. I need a new breeding male as Taco is now kaput.
I dig through my seed stash and the only 3 packs or Older gear I still have is
Grimm 123 Mix
Space Queen by BCGA
C99 Bx2 by Bubbi

Tough choices I know now don't think I didn't concider every strain even Skunk but I mean it would you have ordered or worked with one of these??

I choose the Space Queen as his KQ is one of my all time favorites.

We got 4 nice females and 4 males we spent close to a year growing them out over and over till we decided on the C pheno as a breeding mom for f2's. A and B were more potent slightly and had more resin but both were very poor yielders and hard to manage so we choose the largest mots resinous female. Even the two we culled were as good as any seeds I have purchaced from a vendor. Even the D pheno tasted of Jolly Rancher candy.

You can't however keep them all so I culled all but C later I missed Tiny Bomb so much I got Cheba to return a cut and I wont make that mistake again I smoke Tiny

Lets look at shots during the selection phase

subcool · #37 (**permalink**) 06-29-2009, 10:01 PM

This plant rivals JC for resin and blows it away it taste.

The male we found literally has resin at sexing and in a room solo reaks just like bud. Space Dude is a good boy!

This may have been the best pack of seeds I ever cracked and they were gifted, maybe its the Karma that comes with it.

Believe it or not more strains coming Non TGA gear

The story of Dab is a long one

Stay Tuned.

Shots of Our Space Jill by growers

subcool · #38 (**permalink**) 06-29-2009, 10:10 PM

Emerald Triangle Funk X Old Oregon Purple

I started growing cannabis some 30 years ago outdoors in the US down south where the laws and the cops are no joke when it comes to cannabis. I had many run ins with the law and have traveled across the world seeking more knowledge and running from courts and stupid laws. I have lived both in the UK and Amsterdam and Canada and have tried to gain as much knowledge as possible while traveling in order to become better at my craft. I now live on the west coast and am a legal medical grower along with the love of my life MzJill. I have spent the last decade collecting unique clone only strains in order to collect the proper effect for certain ailments. I have developed a love for photography and combining my love for both, created a Huge data base on cannabis genetics complete with in depth grow guides posted online on many internet sites.
Working with TGA we have helped create some 25 new hybrids and have changed the way the business is done my offering live support and instant feedback using our large data base of medical/professional growers that work with our strains. When a new strain is created it is grown out online for the world to see the results along side of test grows run by happy volunteers that receive free seeds One of the strains we ran across that has almost urban legend status is DAB ( Dank Ass *****) now there is a short story behind the name and I will disclose it here for the first time. The plant was created using a Herm fem that was labeled D and the Clone mom was B it only took on the silly iconic name when people started growing it out and mistakenly added the A.

This strain has huge following in the underground I have been wanting to run it for many years. About 9 years ago I actually had a cut of DAB, but a trip by the cops assured I had to wait a few years to give her a go again. These genetics were collected by the great A/B Hybrid. This is a famous under ground grower that helped pioneer “Selfing” a technique used on females to create all female seeds. He also was famous for his Purple Sativa and his Emerald Triangle Funk. He used these two very different strains to create his own Sativa/Indica hybrid. There used to be vast amounts of information on these two strains but with the fall of Overgrow/Cannabis world this information was lost. I feel very lucky an old friend was nice enough to share his small stash of seeds with me. One of the main attractions to this hybrid was the seeds are almost 15 years old! A few breeders warned me about herm traits, as the rumor is this hybrid was created using male flowers from a female plant. This would be passed on to future generations if I used this in breeding projects. This is always a danger with working with unknown crosses but the only way to eliminate this is to grow out the strain and cull these problem plants from the gene pool. Nebu probably is the best authority on these genetics. Nebu is well known in the US for his work with purple cannabis mainly Mendencino Purps and is a leading authority on the original cut, he actually had the DAB clone from what I understand. This is what he had to say” The AB Hybrid is a jewel of an example of this level, purpling very dramatically in the leaves with splashes amongst the calyxes. We’re on to some serious bag appeal now! The AB Hybrid is a hermaphroditic cross between Emerald Triangle Funk and an old Oregon Purple indica/sativa hybrid. The taste is just dank and funky (inherited from the ET Funk). In fact, the particular AB Hybrid phenotype pictured has been appropriately dubbed “DAB,” an acronym for dank-ass *****. However, this hybrid also possesses some very sweet, exotic perfume notes, and is so distinctive that it is quite difficult to put into words. “Smells like hippies,” some have said. Perhaps this is because of the combination of dank and incense. It definitely fills the room with its aroma, which lingers for hours.”
One trick we use to force out these unwanted plants is, once a plant is budding we subject it to irregular light cycles. Interrupting the dark period and extending the light cycle any plants that have herm tendencies will show us quick. Unfortunately using this technique we eliminated the best looking phenotype based on early observations. Z was a bushy girl with nice short spacing but at day 21 she showed male flowers and was killed. I was looking for a new short purple Indica what I found inside this pack of 14-year-old seeds was kind of unexpected. This phenotype labeled #6 grew fast and tall so she was placed in the back of the grow room in the corner and her buds were bent over into the light. I cringe as I think about how many times I almost dragged her tall ass out and tossed her. She took up the space of 2-normal sized plants. I am so glad I am stubborn and waited to see the final outcome. There are also 2 plants that are very similar in looks and smell but there very small and will not make it on a second trip through the bud room.
This all got started when an old friend contacted me and asked if I was interested in growing out some A/B. I cracked 10 and selected the best 7 to transplant. You can see how nice and deep green with purple stems the seedlings were. As they grew up I cloned each one and then transplanted each and placed into 12/12 to bud each plant out. I kept watch mainly on the short plants with widest leaves, as these are DAB like qualities.
The 3 more Sativa like plants didn’t get a lot of attention but somehow I was out of 5 gallon pots when I transplanted Phenotype 6 and she was placed in one of my full size containers holding 7 full gallons of soil. I placed her in the back as I mentioned and she has been ignored for the most part. Out of the 7 seedlings all were female, which lends credibility to the warnings I received and the assertion A/B was created using a stress herm female plant to create Female seeds. I have only located the one herm at this stage. Phenotype 1 and 4 are a wash as they are both to small to consider running a second time between the two I don’t see even on ounce of meds and no matter how good they may turn out there are minimum standards. Phenotype #2 has the same incredible smell but her yield and finished product will have to be compared to #6 but based on 40 day results #6 is superior mainly based on size alone, however the smaller dread like buds on #2 intrigue me so she has been left to finish even though I have no room and have to manually move her into dark each day and then back into the vegetive room where the light timers are set for 18/6 but the only location that we have any room.
Day 40
You can see phenotype #2 is also beautiful it’s one draw back as I mentioned is the cola size which amount to monkey paw sized buds and were need Gorilla arms if it’s going to outshine phenotype #6. We will keep an eye on the rest inspecting every 2 days for male flowers it’s obvious now warnings were correct and Nebu’s information is also confirmed now we have to just wait and see if any more show herm traits.
Day 45
Sadly I found more herm flowers on Phenotype #3 so the shortest thickest one is now culled from the heard. I took shots of Phenotype #6 today 2/20 and she is even more spectacular than before. I hope it’s extremely good because with 2 herm plants in my main bud room I am bound to have seeds which will all have to be tossed in the trash due to there origins. That now has us down to 2 out of 7 females and based on size #6 has the lead and there is a good chance she will not run again so we have now have 1 female to watch and she has been searched from head to toe and she is free of any male flowers at this point. I don’t think I have ever seen a cooler looking plant. The buds almost have a Jade like appearance and the contrasting maroon/burgundy just heightens this effect.
It reeks at this point and entering the grow room is a blast of Funk and candy from all the other TGA gear.
Week 9
Well the results are now in. The one phenotype that did not herm is one hell of a plant. The bud has a very thick oily smell that reminds me of Garlic and skunk. It seems the leaf itself has a very strong odor. We turned the plants that exhibited herm traits into Bubble hash and it’s truly spectacular. I don’t feel I would add this strain to my stash as it takes over 60 days to finish and simply reeks like no plant I have ever grown before. The bubble is without the musty taste and melts like caramel in the bowl. While it is not a keeper strain I am very happy I ran her and will enjoy every speck of hash I make from her. I am not disappointed with the results, as a grower you never stop seeking knowledge and the only way I know to find out if a strain is any good is to grow her out. After drying the buds were also a bit fluffy but the patient we gave the buds to was extremely impressed with both taste and high. I hope you enjoyed this documentation of this legendary strain.

subcool · #39 (**permalink**) 06-29-2009, 10:40 PM

This strain was created by Kryptonite.
Mom always said if you can't say something nice

Looks nice anyway

I'll give it a 6.5

subcool · #40 (**permalink**) 06-29-2009, 10:57 PM

I prefer if MzJill gives the deatils of her contributions but besides suppling the base genetics for all those purple goodies this was her second contribution to TGA. Don't think shes not a major reason for our sucess.

Many enjoy the love for cannabis. Although male growers primarily dominate the cannabis growing community, the ladies are taking a new interest in growing the herb.
My name is MzJill; I am ‘first lady’ of Subcool/TGA seeds. Recently we have added a new lady member, ToB to our team; together we add the feminine touch to the team. We believe that breeding top quality strains is not only a result of great genetics, but also the quality of the breeder. Upbeat but laid back growers seem to produce upbeat but laid back cannabis. Sinister growers seem to produce sinister cannabis.
Recently with the help of my partner Subcool, I created my first strain. Jilly Bean is becoming quite popular amongst many growers. Jilly Bean is a combination of my notorious Orange Velvet and our popular Space Queen male. The Space Queen is a strain created by Vic High.
We grow marijuana legally under our state guidelines for medical marijuana. Currently Subcool and I are caregivers for two patients, other than us. One of the patients has been with me for about five years now. This patient only consumes marijuana medicine through baked goods. I make butter for this patient using approximately one ounce of marijuana to every half cup of butter.
As I said above, we believe that the vibe of the grower/breeder is passed on through his or her work. Allow me to take you back five years in the past, the story of my notorious Orange Velvet.
About five years ago I inquired into helping at a small local med club. I very soon learned that the people in charge were not good people. I agreed to give a class to new medical members, on how to grow. Several people added their name to my list for clones and individual help. I began delivering clones and helping these people set up their gardens to be more efficient. I soon learned that the people in charge of the medical club had harassed several people, especially the ladies in many different ways. I advised the patients to keep quiet about any clones and medication that I give them, as I didn’t want them to be ripped off. During this time I met many nice people, whom have since become self sufficient and are able to help others in return for the help I gave them; which was all I had asked that they do.
During the time I was helping the local med club patients; I met a wonderful lady, her husband and I are still friends to this point. About a year and a half ago they gifted me a clone, which they called Melvin. Apparently they had received Melvin from some local small town hippie friends of theirs, whom had grown this strain for over twenty years. Subcool and I were skeptical about this strain called Melvin, but we decided to give her a try. We put the little clones through our normal quarantine routine. After the clones were determined clean, they were then replanted into larger pots filled with Subcool’s Organic Super Soil and placed into the general ‘veg’ room.
As she grew we noticed how shiny her foliage looked. The foliage maintained a shiny, very dark velvety green appearance all the way through ‘veg’ and on into late flower. At about forty-five days into flowering, the strong orange-skunk smell emitting from the colas of this beautiful lady named Melvin amazed us. Her leaves started taking on a very beautiful shade of red. The temperature in the flowering room was approximately fifty to fifty-five degrees during the dark time, which is between a twenty and twenty-five degree temperature drop. Around sixty days into flower the beauty of this lady, so poorly named Melvin, further dazzled us. Her aroma was very entrancing and her foliage was velvety with hues that are burgundy and changing into black. She was so beautiful; she nearly looked fake. After we harvested this lady, we were in for a truly wonderful surprise. Inhale and hold, the taste tantalizes your taste buds with the strong undeniable flavor of sugary sweet orange. My friend ToB smoked some of my cured Orange Velvet; here is what she had to say, "It reminds me of a warm summer day, eating Dreamcicles underneath the trees in the backyard. This is one of the most pleasant tastes I have ever experienced; like vanilla ice cream coated in orange sherbert."
Subcool and I were very pleased with the clone that I had been gifted. We decided that she was definitely a keeper in our garden and a good breeding prospect as well. We both agree that she is most definitely one of the loveliest plants we had ever seen, and very photogenic. She is a very good producer and she has light nutrient requirements. But the name Melvin was certainly not suited to this lady. The name Orange Velvet came easy; strong orange smell and flavor with beautiful velvet-like foliage, turning beautiful hues ranging from red to black.
The Orange Velvet has since proven to be a very good breeding strain.
She seems to be a true breeder, passing along her most desirable traits; strong orange flavor, shiny foliage and large dense colas. She was crossed to our Space Queen male, resulting in my popular new strain… Jilly Bean. The name Jilly Bean came from a female grower friend, whose name is Charmed.
The results were most excellent. There have been a total of three different phenotypes, each being very similar.
The first phenotype most resembles the Orange Velvet at about sixty-five percent. There is a very strong orange flavor on this first phenotype. This first phenotype seems to be the most commonly found.
The second phenotype is an equal cross of both parents, being the only one of the three phenotypes that wasn’t dominated by the Orange Velvet.
We have named this phenotype Candy Store, because of the super sweet candy-like flavor. This one was named by Subcool; it has become part of his ‘head stash’.
This brings us to the third phenotype, also referred to as the skunk phenotype. I would say she is closer to the Orange Velvet, but different than phenotype one. This one has a skunky candied-orange flavor. This phenotype seems to be very similar to AE’s Cali-O strain, definitely not the same plant, but likely related. This phenotype is found about fifteen percent of the time. It is the shortest of the three phenotypes, having a high pistil to leaf ratio. This one has the smoothest taste of the three and the smallest yield.
The popularity of this candied-orange beauty has increased. Both medical and recreational growers alike enjoy her candy-flavored medicine. We love to provide the community with new and better tasting medication. Our partners
BadBoy and HomeGrown have also been doing some approved work with my Orange Velvet. They pollinated her with a Grimm male, creating the newest offering from Orange Velvet; called Valencia.
Most recently Subcool and I have decided to cross my Orange Velvet with his Jack The Ripper (offspring of the infamous Jacks Cleaner). With the dominant orange flavoring of the Orange Velvet and the dominant lemon flavoring or the Jacks Cleaner strains; we should have a citrus explosion of lemon and orange flavored medicinal strength cannabis.

By MzJill