2 Decade History of Growing Indoors - GreenPassion.org - Dedicated to Medicinal Cannabis Cultivation and Education

subcool · #1 (**permalink**) 06-28-2009, 07:07 PM

This is a visual record of my growing history. I had already been growing some 10 years before I picked up my first camera so this report is limited to just the ones I have pictures of.
This will go on for weeks

Super Skunk

Originally found by Squid in a pack Of Sensi in about 1983 this strain was one of the first I smoked that tasted like the dank I first started smoking i the mid 70's when it was called " Homegrown" but cost 100$ a lid when sacs of Panama were like 15$ it resembles our Hash Plant and I always felt they came from the same mom at Sensi you will see the resemblance later

The SSK goes a full 65 and gets frosty and just smells like a dead body that was eatin by a swarm of angry skunks.

It also gives back well.

subcool · #2 (**permalink**) 06-28-2009, 07:08 PM

This strain blew us all away the first time we tasted her. many strain back then kinda tasted like there name but this one could not have been named anything else.

AE is a member here and hes welcome to chime in with it's history but he gave it out to many people and it has been shared world wide. I have always felt it lacked potency even taken to 70 days but the flavor is amazing and she does very well as a commercial strain yielding well and providing a bag appeal that is hard to top. It's smells like tangerines or ripe oranges, a bud tore open even has the sharp peel smell it is trully amazing.

California Orange by AE

subcool · #3 (**permalink**) 06-28-2009, 07:11 PM

Thanks Vic High

Ok Thats covered

These are original shots from the selection down in FL what makes this so amazing is this intire room and all these strains went into the back of a Leo van and it was a chore to gain them all back. Some were lost forever but when this place was running full I have 43 different mother plants this is where alot of the work was done that gave us all the crazy moms we have.
This strain tasted so good with the exception of the G-13 Dominant pheno it was deadly potent but taste is what I am about.

Finally this is Pheno #3 you can see the famous dreading the Cindy causes and compared to the G-13 Dom cola pictured above you can see the Grimm genetics in this girl.

subcool · #4 (**permalink**) 06-28-2009, 07:15 PM

This one comes with a story.
gather round my friends,

I was visiting Pi when Sly sent him some seeds and some samples. The small bud was inside a camera case and the smell something I wont soon forget. They all smell close to me Genius, Apollo, Space Queen, but this one sample was extreme. Mango, Sick, Rotting Papaya, sour, tart, citris all of the above.
So we needed baggies for um... sandwiches yeah thats the ticket so we head out to the store to get 1 box and on the way we puff the joint.

So we only get a few hits each before we get to the store and the buzz is coming on very strong I mean like shrooms or something and as we enter the store eyes blazzing but half closed I'm sure we resembled Beavis and Butthead 30 years later.

We both grab carts and tear ass aound the store just looking at all the pretty colors and such and end up facing each other with out two carts in front of the Ziplocks.

We both die laughing I grab a box and we get the hell out before were arrested this was the south

Epilouge for months after any weed that went into this empty camera case smelled like Genius this one was lost. I hate weed pigs btw.

Genius

subcool · #5 (**permalink**) 06-28-2009, 07:18 PM

Apollo-13 is one of those strains a grower could spend his life learning and one I have been working with for a long time now. The cutting we have is old and hard to work with. She is a bit picky on nutrients and has an almost vine like growth creating a very wide sagging bush that needs a lot of support to keep her from having bud flop. She has a very distinct peppery, yet also a funky rotting fruit smell. She has many different expressions according to environment. She can go from being very fox tailed with dread like airy buds in a warm room to hard tight colas in perfect conditions. She prefers a daytime temperature of around 75 degrees but does not like chilly nighttime temperatures like some strains. As she approaches harvest her fan leaves will sag and curl under making trimming a time consuming process but every bit of her smaller leaves are covered in resin that yields a red bubble hash that has to be tried to believe. Her downside is trimming. I spend a good 4 hours on just the upper portion when harvesting. The buds are covered in swirling curled sticky leaves that take loads of concentration and small scissors to clean up. I focus hard to remove all the sugar leaf as my main goal here is Bubble! I have noticed that actual sugar leaf makes the best hash. When I use pure bud I never get the same yields as with trim leaf. I think its almost a waste. So my buds get cleaned well to make more Apollo-Bubble.
The original information on this Brothers Grimm strain states that only 500 seeds were ever made so to have an original cutting is a big deal. Brothers Grimm are responsible for the famous Cindy99 and a few other killer hybrids and they were big on back crossing to there mother plants to improve stability by “Cubing” a clone only strain. Apollo-13 is Genius x p-75 the 75 indicates that 75% of the desired traits will be determined by the male that has been back crossed twice already.
This is how it works it simple terms. You have a clone only female cannabis plant youd like to have seeds of. These seeds will produce plants that display 50% of the females traits and 50% of the males. You pollinate her with a male plant keeping a copy or clone of the original mother alive. This is an outcross and these seeds are grown out and the best male is selected based on desired traits. This male is then used to again pollinate the original mother plant. The seeds of this breeding will produce seeds that display 75% attributes of the mother plant. This process is continued twice more until the strain is cubed and in theory 99% of what the mother was. Now the science is much more complicated than this but this is a good lamens explanation of cubing. In fact I find these hybrids add new life to old strains and in some cases the sibling crosses can be as good or better than the mother strain in terms of ease of growth. The Apollo-13 mother plant still is the tops as far as resin is concerned it has a flavor and consistency like no other. Its resin shards up on scissors like clay or plumbers putty and has a deep red color. A small hit of the Apollo-13 red bubble out of a bong on a clean screen is like a heart punch and leaves you making the worst grimace ever seen.
That doesn’t mean I don’t treasure my stash jar of Apollo each harvest I truly do she has a buzz all her own even though she can give you a work out figuring out what exactly she wants each run. I have been growing her in super soil now for 3 years straight in the same conditions and have her just about figured out now as to what she wants and when. She likes a lot of high Nitrogen nutrients all the way up to day 30 of budding or she will start to fade to early making harvest an even bigger nightmare with yellow leaves curled over each bud. Apollo-13 has a harvest window from day 54 all the way to day 65 for a completely different high and flavor. I always top her to make sure she has at least 3 heads and I keep her in the vegetive state ( 18 Light 6 Dark) for a full 2 months to make sure she has a solid root base and enough branch support to yield 3-4 ounces per plant in soil. I use bamboo stakes and plastic coated garden wire to keep her held up once the buds start to form.

I first saw a cutting in the mid 90’s and most of my internet friends grew her for head stash but she was considered a smaller strain because back then we really didn’t understand temperature control and most of the people growing her were doing so in a bud room with temps above 80 degrees and in many cases close to 100 which almost no strain does well in except pure sativas. Since then we have learned to keep our rooms cooler and we have seen some of the older clone only strains shine in these conditions reaching some decent yields while producing simply primo buds.

We have used this clone to produce some amazing hybrids like Sputnik that’s featured on the cover of Big Book of Buds 3 and Vortex our current favorite medical strain it is in high demand for the happy up buzz it provides while still having a serious punch in potency a favorite of bubble hash makers to. I recently created a new hybrid we call “ The Void” using Apollo-13 and our new Querkle male that has a grape smell and purple coloring and this strain is currently a week into budding and already has a grape scent.

A-13 BX is now in testing

subcool · #6 (**permalink**) 06-28-2009, 08:47 PM

I was standing in line one year at the Bluebird waiting to get 4 grams of Malana Cream and the dude was offering Warlock for 50 guilder the reason we used to go to dam was to try new gear so we grabbed two packs and ran em.

Great yields easy to grow and a amazing strawberry flavor that just made everyone want this in fact people were choosing it over blueberry but to me the smoke was harsh, it lacked Resin and character it was quite average imo but it certainly paid for its own keep.

Warlock

subcool · #7 (**permalink**) 06-28-2009, 08:48 PM

Somas Blues by Juan Moore

Blueberry X Soma something I can't remeber nice hashy taste with Berry undertones. His Stoney Baloney cross is grown by Clips a member here I think.

His JC s1 x Cali O gave us 7-up a small inspiartion for our new Lemon Orange Cross Agent Orange

STP is an old friend and has had my back many times.

Thanks for the good times bro

Somas Blues

This plant was culled BTW remeber me discussing hard choices?

You can't keep em all and some are simply better than others

subcool · #8 (**permalink**) 06-28-2009, 08:51 PM

These are original pictures from my first JC cross. Now these pictures are impressive as hell and the dank make people drool and fall over eyes roll back and TILT! Lots of seeds and lots of time and lots of work have passed my hands and I know absolutly know that SQ is a Much better father for any breeding project. The goal is to make something potent have that Berry taste and its really not that hard to do but side by side JC was always more potent than her Blueberry kids.

The same cannot be said for JTR it is absolutly as good as JC if not better due to it's short structure and faster finishing time.

However I can garantee there will be crys of Batgirlwhen these pics go up she was the ultimate SOG plant growing a bud on a stick from just rooted clone.

Batgirl
One of the better tasting females we found in this hybrid with huge variation was Berry White, yes catchy name I know hehe. picking up heavy Blueberry flavor with an amazing amount of resin this one I wouldn't mind having back at least for a few runs in the last batch of JCB we ran I did not see a female that matched the character of these girl.

This was actually the beginnings of JTR we just didnt know it first we had to find out what didnt work before we found what did.
Blueberry is not a male to work with FYI

subcool · #9 (**permalink**) 06-28-2009, 08:54 PM

You may not have heard of the strain Jacks Cleaner, but among collectors of Elite genetics it has become somewhat of an urban legend. This is due to a few factors. The first is I grew it for many years before other respected growers tried it and let me know it was probably the best Sativa Hybrid in existence. In 1997 I had a gathering known in breeder circles as “Jamaica 1” several respected under ground breeder/growers met at my place and we spent 3 days toking testing talking and feasting on BBQ and southern food. We had a un official judging and JC won every first place vote. Now maybe the guys were just being nice because I tossed the gig but I knew at least I had found a great strain. But where did it come from?
I got my first PC in about 1994 it was an Acer 133 and soon found a great deal of information on Cannabis, certainly not anything like today but it led me to grow chats where I met others that shared an interest for growing. One of the first I became close online friends with was a guy with the nick ‘Skoosh’. I was amazed that there was another seriously hard working tax paying Loyal American that waked and baked everyday of his adult life. We swapped stories online, toked while we typed and found out we both love ice cream. He offered me some seeds and over time traded around what we each had. He sent me about 200 seeds of a old strain called Skoosh that was pretty infamous in his circles and I started cracking large treys looking for a keeper. The make up of these seeds were Pluton, Lambs bread, Purple Haze, and Northern Lights. What mix or pattern these crosses occurred I am not sure. Most of what I found was not impressive, super thin spindly sativa’s and mutants with whorled leaves. I did find a few that seemed normal and grew them to maturity. Of all the seeds I started over a period of a year one phenotype stood out. It was a extremely resinous ultra lemon wonder. It reminded me of a house hold cleaner named “Mr Clean” So I named it “The Cleaner”. It had one poor trait and that was weak stems and smaller size. I had not yet read botany and we all thought breeders were smarter than god so it was just luck I had a Jack Herer male from Sensi Seeds that I was to lazy to kill and just placed in a dark garage. It refused to die so I placed a small 12” Cleaner clone with him and she produced about 35 seeds.

subcool · #10 (**permalink**) 06-28-2009, 08:57 PM

From these I selected the best female and tossed all the males. From these was the Phenotype many now consider to be the holy grail of Cannabis, Jacks Cleaner is a large heavy producer with ultra white raised trichomes that actually give the plant a gooey appearance. Heavy citrus with over bearing lemon smell and taste I have yet to see anything like it. In 2003 we out crossed the P1 mother with a JC X blueberry offspring and created JC bx. This first stage back cross recently won third place in the 420 cup in Amsterdam by a grower named HOG. It had a 12 day cure and blew everyone away as he was an unknown in there neck of the woods. There is some confusion cause many that have the JC bx misstate the fact and say they have JC leaving off the BX indicating a back cross.
This year I started Space Queen by Vic a hybrid cross of Cindy-99 and Romulan. I never considered it something impressive but it has blown Jill and I away. It is extremely potent fast maturing and just an amazing flavor. Pineapples and mangos with a candy like fragrance it has become our stash smoke. We have now decided to cross the JC P1 with the best Space Queen male we found.. Many would argue you need thousands of plants to start with for selecting to be considered a ‘True Breeder” but I think 30 years of growing and a keen eye for recessive traits can compensate starting from a smaller gene pool and the feed back from our medical users backs up my theory.
You can see by the photo’s that JC is not a normal hemp dominant plant. Just the speed of resin production makes her somewhat of a freak .You can see how the large raised resin heads give some shots a glass effect. I will attempt to describe toking JC from a clean bong, the smoke is crisp and thick with a heavy lemon oiliness that seems to coat the sinuses with citrus, it is a bit harsh and tends to make me wince, then the expansion starts and if you took a small enough hit and don’t cough the buzz is instant. At first the buzz is visual and very cerebral. Then the other side starts creeping and you feel as if you smoked some heavy indica. The munchies come on and after you eat plates full of bizarre food combinations you are ready for a nap. Once you are used to the high it has amazing analgesic properties and a good friend said it even made him last longer with his GF due to it’s pain relieving aspects.
Jacks Cleaner

1985 SSSC (Nevil's)
NL#5 X Pluton
Back crossed into the original NL#5 mom.
NL#5/Pluton X Purple Haze
Backed into the NL#5 mom
Outcrossed to Jack Herer

subcool · #11 (**permalink**) 06-28-2009, 09:00 PM

Our first stop is in Bogota
To check Colombian fields
The natives smile and pass along
A sample of their yield
Sweet Jamaican pipe dreams
Golden Acapulco nights
Then Morocco, and the East
Fly by morning light
Wreathed in smoke in Lebanon
We burn the midnight oil
The fragrance of Afghanistan
Rewards a long day's toil
Pulling into Katmandu
Smoke rings fill the air
Perfumed by a Nepal night
The Express gets you there
We're on the train to Bangkok
Aboard the Thailand Express
We'll hit the stops along the way
We only stop for the best

Interlude:

Leo, Jail Time, Blunt Springs me, the Gypsy Monolouges, Blunts death, Canada, Clones get to Cold safe place, International smuggling charge, more jail, Tossed outs Canada

What next you ask?

Shinningwind · #12 (**permalink**) 06-28-2009, 09:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by subcool

Apollo-13 is one of those strains a grower could spend his life learning and one I have been working with for a long time now. The cutting we have is old and hard to work with. She is a bit picky on nutrients and has an almost vine like growth creating a very wide sagging bush that needs a lot of support to keep her from having bud flop. She has a very distinct peppery, yet also a funky rotting fruit smell. She has many different expressions according to environment. She can go from being very fox tailed with dread like airy buds in a warm room to hard tight colas in perfect conditions. She prefers a daytime temperature of around 75 degrees but does not like chilly nighttime temperatures like some strains. As she approaches harvest her fan leaves will sag and curl under making trimming a time consuming process but every bit of her smaller leaves are covered in resin that yields a red bubble hash that has to be tried to believe. Her downside is trimming. I spend a good 4 hours on just the upper portion when harvesting. The buds are covered in swirling curled sticky leaves that take loads of concentration and small scissors to clean up. I focus hard to remove all the sugar leaf as my main goal here is Bubble! I have noticed that actual sugar leaf makes the best hash. When I use pure bud I never get the same yields as with trim leaf. I think its almost a waste. So my buds get cleaned well to make more Apollo-Bubble.
The original information on this Brothers Grimm strain states that only 500 seeds were ever made so to have an original cutting is a big deal. Brothers Grimm are responsible for the famous Cindy99 and a few other killer hybrids and they were big on back crossing to there mother plants to improve stability by “Cubing” a clone only strain. Apollo-13 is Genius x p-75 the 75 indicates that 75% of the desired traits will be determined by the male that has been back crossed twice already.
This is how it works it simple terms. You have a clone only female cannabis plant youd like to have seeds of. These seeds will produce plants that display 50% of the females traits and 50% of the males. You pollinate her with a male plant keeping a copy or clone of the original mother alive. This is an outcross and these seeds are grown out and the best male is selected based on desired traits. This male is then used to again pollinate the original mother plant. The seeds of this breeding will produce seeds that display 75% attributes of the mother plant. This process is continued twice more until the strain is cubed and in theory 99% of what the mother was. Now the science is much more complicated than this but this is a good lamens explanation of cubing. In fact I find these hybrids add new life to old strains and in some cases the sibling crosses can be as good or better than the mother strain in terms of ease of growth. The Apollo-13 mother plant still is the tops as far as resin is concerned it has a flavor and consistency like no other. Its resin shards up on scissors like clay or plumbers putty and has a deep red color. A small hit of the Apollo-13 red bubble out of a bong on a clean screen is like a heart punch and leaves you making the worst grimace ever seen.
That doesn’t mean I don’t treasure my stash jar of Apollo each harvest I truly do she has a buzz all her own even though she can give you a work out figuring out what exactly she wants each run. I have been growing her in super soil now for 3 years straight in the same conditions and have her just about figured out now as to what she wants and when. She likes a lot of high Nitrogen nutrients all the way up to day 30 of budding or she will start to fade to early making harvest an even bigger nightmare with yellow leaves curled over each bud. Apollo-13 has a harvest window from day 54 all the way to day 65 for a completely different high and flavor. I always top her to make sure she has at least 3 heads and I keep her in the vegetive state ( 18 Light 6 Dark) for a full 2 months to make sure she has a solid root base and enough branch support to yield 3-4 ounces per plant in soil. I use bamboo stakes and plastic coated garden wire to keep her held up once the buds start to form.

I first saw a cutting in the mid 90’s and most of my internet friends grew her for head stash but she was considered a smaller strain because back then we really didn’t understand temperature control and most of the people growing her were doing so in a bud room with temps above 80 degrees and in many cases close to 100 which almost no strain does well in except pure sativas. Since then we have learned to keep our rooms cooler and we have seen some of the older clone only strains shine in these conditions reaching some decent yields while producing simply primo buds.

We have used this clone to produce some amazing hybrids like Sputnik that’s featured on the cover of Big Book of Buds 3 and Vortex our current favorite medical strain it is in high demand for the happy up buzz it provides while still having a serious punch in potency a favorite of bubble hash makers to. I recently created a new hybrid we call “ The Void” using Apollo-13 and our new Querkle male that has a grape smell and purple coloring and this strain is currently a week into budding and already has a grape scent.

A-13 BX is now in testing

Wow.... Thanks abunch Subcool....

I have been looking for info like this for awhile ,,, but in more of laymens terms ,,,,, so a blonde could understand.....lol

By Jiminy I think I got it.....

SmokeToLive · #13 (**permalink**) 06-28-2009, 11:05 PM

Wow, and I feel crazy for keeping a 5(ish) month history.

Nice pictures! I like reading about your strains.

chuckd420 · #14 (**permalink**) 06-29-2009, 12:00 AM

All of those strains look really tasty. Excellent job with the journal and pics, 20 years is a lot of growing to keep track of. Keep up the good work.

Hatch · #15 (**permalink**) 06-29-2009, 03:19 AM

What A Read, Great Stuff!!!EH!!!

And Ya, Can't Wait To See What's Next!!!

Thanks For Sharing SubCool....

pine boy · #16 (**permalink**) 06-29-2009, 07:02 AM

Hey Subcool, thanks for sharing all this info with us

I have been glued to every post since you joined.
Good stuff,Thanks again

I8ntLucky_UR · #17 (**permalink**) 06-29-2009, 10:48 AM

Hey there subcool thanks for the gr8t info. I stayed up last night as late as I could just to keep reading all your posts and drool over the pics.

I must say what a marathon of posting you did!

You are helping many here with these fine contributions, many thanks to you for that.

subcool · #18 (**permalink**) 06-29-2009, 11:13 AM

Cuddlefish Hash Plant

This strain is an old time favorite and it was passed on to friends up north and recently Homegrown and friend of Badboys sent me these pictures from his grow in the great white north. It is what MsJill would call original kind bud as it has that skunky fruity smell of the first Indica strains I ever tasted. I originally received this clone from Squid and it gained the name Cuddlefish to separate it form the BC hash plant. This is a different strain and was found in a pack of Sensi Seeds in about 1984. It is extremely similar to the mother plant Super Skunk used in our Neon Skunk Hybrid but there are subtle differences that differentiate the two phenotypes. Hash Plant has a sweeter flavor and a speedier finish SSK has as the name implies the smell of something rotten and while Hash Plant is a high odor strain it smells more of rotting fruit that rotting meat.
The main attribute of this plant and why we use it in breeding projects is it has an extremely short profile and minimal stretch, having a large mass center bud its perfect for Coli and cage style growing but also does well in DWC or soil when vegged to a proper size. Finishing in 8 weeks with large rounded colas she will turn all shades of the rainbow as she enters the final stages of floral maturity. You can see the beautiful reds, yellows, and maroons present in Homegrowns amazing pictures.
I have also grown this plant outdoors and it yielded some big numbers for sure and even in the mid west of the USA it was able to finish before the first frost came. The Outdoor smoke looked great and had a sweet smell but I think the fertilizers used in the corn fields gave it a harsh taste but I’m kind of a pot snob about Organics anyway. I have seen full rooms of her run in DWC with amazing totals, it’s almost bred for the super fast vegetive speed of Buckets. With many strains hydro is so effective that you can’t really grow a large plant or the stretch during the first weeks of 12/12 means to much height. Hash Plant only stretches about 2X in Hydro and even less in soil.
When topping the plant can be so thick in a crowded room the canopy can get so think I have removed fan leaves to allow more light down into the canopy this is one crazy bush when topped more than once. I had a mom once that was budded and regenerated and I bet she had 30 heads on her she only grew about 10” after going to a 12/12 light schedule and the canopy was so thick she basically yielded just one layer of triangle shaped buds.
We like this cross so much we used her to create one of our earlier crosses that Suny gave the name Conquistador to. I hate typing all that and among fans it has the nick name Connie. Known for her Huge towering columnar buds she has a fruity watermelon smell that is quite incredible the first time you smoke it tasting almost like artificial watermelon gum flavoring like in Hubba Bubba bubblegum. Some people who try this strain first out of all our genetics become such loyal growers they never try any of the more speedy hybrids we produced later. Connie proved to be extremely stable and out of many grows across the planet I am always able to spot this massive cola courtesy of Badboy on his first run of his new strain created using my proven moms.
Our latest creation following Connie is Zorro following the same theme as Conquistador but a shorter handle I don’t mind typing. I believe collected older stock is always the best way to create a hybrid today as most of the genetics I see available are pretty un impressive. We run so many strains among our little group of friends and I am not going to dog any one out but just last year we ran White Russian, Sugar Chemo, Blueberry Northern Lights, Dab, and a few others in search of decent fathers to create new hybrids. None of these met our criteria for head stash the very first that must be met in order to merit a second run in our grow room much less the breeding area.
I had been hording a pack of Grimms Mix for about 8 years and the source was the same as or amazing Ortega male so I have a lot of confidence in our new out cross Bigfoot using hash Plant as the Mother and Grimm male we selected based on methods established by me in earlier breeding projects. This strain is under going testing and should be available by mid year.
This strain has been adopted by many commercial growers in Canada as a heavy yielding potent strain but it is also known for needing large Air Scrubbers to deal with the funk it creates especially during harvest. The stone is a Heavy Indica with full blown munchies and the typical pot nap this strain is very good for those seeking relief from insomnia or weight loss.

subcool · #19 (**permalink**) 06-29-2009, 11:17 AM

Ortega X C99
Gifted to me I started the seeds cause they sounded exotic and some time luck can play a role in anything. The male from this line was like cherry flavoring and anything he touched became instant red bud, Dannyboy still shares the trait and Connie also has a reddish hue to her pistils once dry.
The Astroboy cross was Apollo-13 Dom but still took on a nice cherry undertone.

This male was lost by a former fng up north heh **** happens his genes were preserved in his children.

jangel · #20 (**permalink**) 06-29-2009, 04:16 PM

What a wonderful education ! Thank you so much for bringing your wisdom to GreenPassion!

I will slowly read all this. My goodness, this is fascinating.

We are most honoured.

Peace