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Does growing with cfl's mean shorter plant's??

My plant is lushing out and all that, but its not growing that much vertical,

Should i lower them from the lights to make'em stretch??
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Some strains just want to stay short. What is your light cycle..? your temps...?
What strain are you growing ...?
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Some strains just want to stay short. What is your light cycle..? your temps...?
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Light cycle is 18-6

Strain is Blueberry

temp's Stay around 76-79

Water when needed (about every 2 days or so),

Humidity stays between 50 & 60

Light's - I Have 4 - 100watt cfl's (using 26watts) and 4 70watt cfl's (using 20 watts)

I Measured and its slightly above 2 inches tall,
New growth looks nice, Even has a slight Skunky smell to it,
Just isnt getting that tall,
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How many weeks into veg are they?
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Does growing with cfl's mean shorter plant's??

My plant is lushing out and all that, but its not growing that much vertical,

Should i lower them from the lights to make'em stretch??
Na mate if you want them to stretch you need to raise the lights.
Good luck with them controversial
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Does growing with cfl's mean shorter plant's??

My plant is lushing out and all that, but its not growing that much vertical,

Should i lower them from the lights to make'em stretch??
mornin' man, the answer to your first question is no, not exactly. you see,
because CFLs are low intensity they won't give you the same growth as
a high intensity light will give you.

that being said, CFLs will grow you some very happy, healthy buds and more
than you can smoke in a surprisingly small space.

and in answer to your second question, i'd have to say no again as raising
your lights will have the desired effect of making your plants stretch for the
light, but it will actually retard growth by removing most of the intensity of the
light.

judging by your questions i'd guess you're using all 'cool' lights which are at
the blue end of the spectrum and are great for vegging as blue light will promote
short internodes which will result in tighter buds.

the problem is, if you use only blue during veg, you get very short internodes
which makes cloning problematic. mj needs both red and blue light throughout
it's life cycle, just more blue during veg and more red during flowering.

so, in summary, if you want your plants to have longer internodes, add some
red, or 'warm' light to the mix, then you will get taller plants without sacrificing
intensity.

btw, as i look at your pics it appears to me that your soil could really use
some perlite. keep in mind that mj likes a nice light, airy soil with lots of
drainage so most experienced growers will add approx. 40% perlite to the
soil to promote drainage and increase oxygen to the roots.

here's a couple of pics of a re-veg of mine that clearly shows the white
perlite in the soil, even after my 'surgery' to the root-ball, lol.
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How many weeks into veg are they?
It's about 2 week's? Im not toyally sure,im not marking a calender or something,
I Want it to grow atleast 10-12 inches before i switch light cycle, so thats what im goin by.

JustAnotherBozo - I Have 4 Bulbs thats 6500k
Then i have 4 3500k on the sides,

QUOTEthe blue end of the spectrum and are great for vegging as blue light will promote
short internodes which will result in tighter buds.
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So maybe the short,bushy thing isnt bad after all ?

Thank's for the feedback yall,
Oh and yes, im gonna get some perlite,!
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many people work mighty hard to keep 'em short and bushy
with lights
with no temperature swings
with chemicals
with prunning
with strains

and here you are trying to undo it....pretty cool
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It's about 2 week's? Im not toyally sure,im not marking a calender or something,
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JustAnotherBozo - I Have 4 Bulbs thats 6500k
Then i have 4 3500k on the sides,

QUOTEthe blue end of the spectrum and are great for vegging as blue light will promote
short internodes which will result in tighter buds.
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So maybe the short,bushy thing isnt bad after all ?

Thank's for the feedback yall,
Oh and yes, im gonna get some perlite,!
well, with those bulbs there should be enough red to please the plants.

keep in mind that plants, and i mean all plants, have evolved over millennia
to utilize all the spectrums of light radiated by our sun. our job, as indoor,
stealth cultivators, is to replicate that environment as best we can.

what that means is that mj needs both red and blue throughout it's life cycle.
now, in nature, due to the angle that the sunlight hits the planet, there is
more blue light in the spring than red and more red than blue in the fall.

so the plants want more blue during veg and more red during flower but, you
need some red during veg and some blue during flowering.

so, when you are ready to flower, take out those four 6500K's and replace
them with four 2700K's, then take out 2 of those 3500K's and put in two of
those 6500K's and you'll have a terrific line-up for bud production.

sorry if i come across as if i'm lecturing, it's just that i'm a grandfather so
i'm used to explaining things in detail.

anyway, i'm sure you'll be pleased with the results you get if you leave everything
just as it is although i must say that more wattage would give you more bud,
not necessarily better bud, just more of it.
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Thank's for the advice! You wasnt lecturing,more like teaching lol

I 'm glad and thankful for you suggesting a light layout for Flowering,

because i was gonna go with the 2700k's and 3500k's, all the way,

Now i think i'll buy a few more 2 Way socket adapter's, and have mostly 2700k's, maybe 1or 2 3500k's and the rest 6500k's,
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i'm glad i didn't offend you my friend.

another thing to consider when you are planning bulb mix is that blue light is
less intense so, if you were to want to have an equal amount of red and blue
light you would need more blue bulbs than red to achieve that equality.

also, the truth is, and i'm living proof, even with only a rudimentary understanding
of the science, and with an almost completely lackadaisical attitude, you can
still grow some damn fine bud with CFL's.
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Hey i appreciate it alot, you taking time out to help & answer my question's,
I was also wondering (last question i promise lol)

Ive been watering and letting it sit with the lights off for about 5 - 10 minutes, before putting back in the Drum and flipping the fans&light's,

But would it be better to water right before i cut the lights out??(for the 6 hour break /18-6)

would more nutrients absorb better?
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They look good, for two weeks, they look to be doin' fine.
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I was also wondering (last question i promise lol)

Ive been watering and letting it sit with the lights off for about 5 - 10 minutes, before putting back in the Drum and flipping the fans&light's,

But would it be better to water right before i cut the lights out??(for the 6 hour break /18-6)

would more nutrients absorb better?

you're more than welcome bro! s h i t, people answered my questions so i'm
glad to answer yours.

and i try real hard to be right as much as possible, but i'm no expert, i'm just
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so don't take anything i say as gospel, verify everything before you commit.

like my brother the carpenter always says, measure twice, cut once.

btw, lol, i believe the concensus is that you should water early in the light's on
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Thanks once again man , i like ur brother's saying, and mine would be, ''If it aint broke dont fix it " and right now everything is running good, just added 2 more bulbs

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Hey Con try and water when the lights come on. If you water in the dark you increase the chances of growing mold. Now that you have more leaves, you are going to see faster growth .When theres not many leaves it takes a while to get going
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Hey does anyone know how to wire sockets for cfl's ???
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