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Sixmorereps · #1 (**permalink**) 09-19-2009, 04:21 PM

Not sure what is up because my girl has started to droop and sag.. The stems are purple-ish Red....Just watered so I willfind out whats up and if it was lack of water..

Also had a pot that was way too small so I transplanted into one that should be the last .. Here are the pics.. i'm really hoping it was just lack of water.....

Deb-HAS-grn · #2 (**permalink**) 09-19-2009, 07:40 PM

Are you feeding them anything and if so what and how much,,, Has she perked up since watering,, I would cut off those yellow leaves, they are no good for the plant now. Let us know

jangel · #3 (**permalink**) 09-19-2009, 07:51 PM

Looks like she was hungry and root bound. Mine look like the dogs breakfast after the dog is done with it if they need transplanting, so most likely that is it. What are you useing for soil and water? And what Deb said as well? We will help you if you give us more info. How old is the plant, Indoor, outdoor, what type of cannabis, what kind of light if indoors?

Peace

Sixmorereps · #4 (**permalink**) 09-19-2009, 08:23 PM

Thanks all,
Looks like she perked up after watering.. I also transplanted the 2 into larger pots and soil is Fox Farm Ocean Forest....Been watering recntly with distilled purified water from the machine. 25 cents per gallon..I had to go to this water because I was using my aquariums water and Alaskan Fish Emulsion and the recommended dose of Superthrive....My PH runoff is reading 6.7 or so.

The plant is about 45 days old now. I sexed em then brought them inside after I knew they were ladies. I now have them in my cardboard grow environment with 1 300 watt CFL....TEMPS AVG 76-86 USUALLY....Humidity is avg 55-60%...

I am considering just leaving one of em out in the back yard under sun and nights natural timer.. I live in Newport Beach and it's been really hot the last few days. I receive a good 4 to 6 direct sunlight each day...Do you think I will be able to yield anything.

I have another girl that I am using the LST method on and she is looking grt. She is also munder that 300 watt CFL.

AS FOR THE TYPE OF CANNABIS...The source of the seeds said Purple Jesus.. I know it an Indica....

Thanks for all assistance.

Deb-HAS-grn · #5 (**permalink**) 09-19-2009, 09:29 PM

Glad she perked up for yo Six,, Others might have other suggestions for you but it looks like your doing pretty good so far......

Sixmorereps · #6 (**permalink**) 09-24-2009, 02:45 PM

Hi All,
My ladies are no longer sagging after the fresh h2o session as well as their new home in a bed of FF Ocean Forest..This stuff really does what everyone claims..Very satisfied customer..

I clipped all the excess yellow and let them rip... I am going from 24-7 to 18-6 starting today. I am using the LST method on one of em and it appears to be a genius move. I have new shoots everywhere just reaching for that 300 watt CFL...

I appreciate the love fellow CFL users...let me know what ya think or if you have any advice.. Thanks in advance..

SiX

jangel · #7 (**permalink**) 09-24-2009, 02:51 PM

One thing you will have to watch with the distilled water is adding magnesium and calcium. The water has none of either nor any micro nutrients in it. I use RO water and it is the same. so I always give them cal/mag as well. Let us know what you are feeding them with. That is most likely the issue with the leaves.

Peace

Sixmorereps · #8 (**permalink**) 09-24-2009, 05:42 PM

what is RO water? How can I fix this Cal-MAag difficiency?

I am currently not feeding them with anything since the transplant last week.. What should I be feeding them? I have some alaskan Fish Emilsion and thats it for now... Should I feed them the Fish Fert 5-1-1?

Thanks J-Angel

jangel · #9 (**permalink**) 09-24-2009, 05:50 PM

I use fish stuff on mine all the time. It is a good organic food. You can add either some epsom salts to your water (1teaspoon per gallon of water) This will help them. You can also pick up some mag/cal from most hydro stores or order it online. It will last a long time, and is not espensive, I think the bottle I got was 8 bucks and should last me for a year or more.

RO water is Reverse Osmosis water. I buy it by the jug from a water place.

Peace

Sixmorereps · #10 (**permalink**) 09-28-2009, 02:07 AM

Hi All,
Just an update for any who have helped or are interested in my first rearing...

After transplanting to FF ocean forest and feeding a bit of Alaskan Fish Fmla I feel like she is definitely on her way back in the right direction. I added some Botanicare 2-0-0- Mag-Cal with trace minerals.. Thanks J -Angel for the advice...Deb as well...

I have been watering only when the first few inches dry out and I have also switched over from 24-7 to 18-6.. This has been the cause of my growth everywhere. It seems like they love the fact that they rest in total darkness for a while and recuperate.

Does anyone know what causes leaves to curl and grow out deformed?
I'm going to look it up right now but just thought i'd ask and maybe someone has experienced the same issue and has a friendly remedy.

I am going to let her go for another 2 weeks and then go to 12-12 under a 250 watt hps.... Hopefully I will be on the road to some nice heady cough syrup. As usual, feel free to comment or offer any advice.. all is welcome.. Cheers

Deb-HAS-grn · #11 (**permalink**) 09-28-2009, 09:08 AM

Hi Six,, it is hard to tell from your picture if the curled up leaves are changing color or not. You might of already seen this thread but here is a couple of links that has some pictures that might help you,,,,Plant Abuse Charts Collected from EVERYWHERE!Please add your input! ... Plant Abuse Chart and Photos by Nietzsche

deep[H2O]culture · #12 (**permalink**) 09-28-2009, 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Sixmorereps

Not sure what is up because my girl has started to droop and sag.. The stems are purple-ish Red....Just watered so I willfind out whats up and if it was lack of water..

Also had a pot that was way too small so I transplanted into one that should be the last .. Here are the pics.. i'm really hoping it was just lack of water.....

Hey six!

Judging from the pics and what you have said, I think you just need a little more water. It's actually better to under-water rather than over-water. A plant will survive 1,000 droughts but just a few days in too much water can lead to many root and soil problems. So looks like your in the clear to me!

As long as the plants are ONLY sagging, but staying green. If there was some color deformation going on as well we could be talking about a few different problems it could be. But that's not the case here and them girls look like they just need a nice splash of water.

jangel · #13 (**permalink**) 09-28-2009, 10:28 AM

Can you try and take pics of just the leaves with the problems? I can't make them out clearly enough to figure out what the problem is. If it is more of the same thing, it could be the leaves with the mag/cal shortage. and they will outgrow that if it is the case.

Also, if your flash is whiting out the pic, take your finger and block half the flash when you are trying to take the pic, and it should be clearer.

Peace

Sixmorereps · #14 (**permalink**) 09-30-2009, 02:00 PM

Hello All,
I have a situation where as my leaves are curling or cupping up. They look pretty moist and healthy but just curling..
Does anyone have any ideas as too what my issue might be? I thank ya in advance...

SiX

jangel · #15 (**permalink**) 09-30-2009, 02:15 PM

What are your temps like? Have you gotten the mg/cal? looks like that is the problem with the leaves. Go easy on the food as some of the leaves, with that claw look, look over ferted.

Sixmorereps · #16 (**permalink**) 09-30-2009, 03:21 PM

Hey J-Angel,
I did use the Cal- Mag that I described in earlier post and I have only watered once with the Cal-Mag in it..My next watering is scheduled for romorrow.. The pot still seems a little moist when i stick my finger in a few inches..

My temps average a low of 74 and a high of about 85 .....I have a fan on the very bottom where my intake sucks air from outdoors through a tube lodged in a fan that sits in the window ...

Could it be the constant battering of the fan blowing straight at it?

The fan obviously helps with the heat and provides movement so the air is never stale...Not sure right now...

Last feeding was just Alaskan Fish Emu and the Cal-Mag (tsp-gallon)

Thanks again.

SiX

jangel · #17 (**permalink**) 09-30-2009, 03:26 PM

The temps are too high. Max temps for pot is AT MOST 80, and it prefers 78. What is your exhaust system like? Or do you have one?

It is better if you have no fan in the cool air intake. Okay, I need to know what your exhaust system is like and if you can take a pic to show me, that would help a lot. So you only have the one vent tube going into the grow, from a window, with a fan in the tube, am I correct?

jangel · #18 (**permalink**) 09-30-2009, 03:30 PM

As well, it takes time for the cal/mag to show a difference. Look at the new growth to judge this. The old growth still has the symptoms of the old problem. This will not change. It will never change old damage, but will show in the new plant growth.

Peace

Sixmorereps · #19 (**permalink**) 09-30-2009, 07:20 PM

Thanks again..

Yes I have a 4 inch intake hole that has a fan connected to it at the bottom of the growbox with the silver stretch coil connected to a fan that sits in the window sill..I have another hole out the top side on the right that is about 8 inches and it has a fan attached to it and blowing the air out..

do i have my exhaust correct.. i know it's supposed to be 3 x's the size of the intake??!!

or do i have it backwards?

jangel · #20 (**permalink**) 09-30-2009, 07:44 PM

I think you need it increase your lower cool air intake to improve your fan draw. The out going exhaust fan is over sized, but I am not going to say change that. You do need at least twice the size of it to get proper air draw so the heat can adequatly vent and your fan work properly. For a normal sized exhaust vent, it would be 4 or 6 inches. And yes, for good draw you need 3 times that of passive air intake. But your fan is so big, you don't want 3 X 8 inches which is 24 in hole...no, that is too big. But at least I would say double what you have now, minimum. Then if you can eaisily remove the fan on the cool air intake see what he draw is like with the heat exhaust fan going only. This should give you enough balance so the exhaust fan for heat high in the grow will suck the air into the space as fast as the fan moves, and create a draw, and your heat will drop because it has an easy way out and draw. Always remember, air will not allow a vacuum, so it will come in from your cool air passive intake, if it is big enough, at the same rate your heat exhaust fan is sucking it out. Just pure physics.

Peace