I am currently using 6-54 watt 6500k T5's for my 10 lowryders. I'm thinking of adding 2 3000k warm bulbs because im always seeing people mixinjg. Is this going to help my vegetation or should I go with all 6500k during veg?

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yeah man, mj evolved in nature to use both red and blue throughout it's life
cycle so you need to add some red light during veg and blue light during flower.

if you don't add some red you will notice extremely short internodes.
that isn't as big a problem with auto-flowers because you can't clone
them anyway, but if you ever grow a strain that doesn't flower automatically,
you'll want the internodes long enough to take cuts from.

keep in mind that, as an indoor cultivator, it's your job to replicate nature
as closely as you can.

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Ya That Bozo Knows His CFL's...

lol, i love 'em man, ...they are so versatile! ...i grow WAY more than i smoke!

which is great 'cause i dig sharin', lol.

i hate to admit it though but i'm switching, my new mother cab has a 24inch,
4 bulb T5 HO fixture that has 3 blue bulbs and 1 red, and at 24watts each,
that's only 96watts total, lol.

and it looks like that will be plenty of light in that new cab. (right now i have
17 mothers and 6 clones in there and i'm seeing plenty of new growth)

also, my new flower cab (unfinished but almost done, lol) will have 2x 150watt
HPS lights in a DIY cooltube. (it has room for 11 rows of 5x 33oz bottles for the
multi-strain SOG i'm planning, ...ala DrBudGreenGenes)

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bozo-

wouldn't short internodes produce a bushier plant which is sometimes desireable?

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while it would appear to be a great idea, mj really does need BOTH spectra
throughout it's life cycle.

also, if you have your mothers under nothing but blue light, your internodes
will be so short, it'll be almost impossible to take cuttings. ...you need SOME
stretch with your mothers.

and the great thing about CFL's is the ease with which you can tweak your
spectra, lol.

another thing to consider is that, during flower, you need mostly RED light,
otherwise, you will end up unhappy with your end result.

keep in mind that, due to the movement of the sun and the planet, and the
angle that sunlight hits the planet, during the springtime you get mostly blue
light.

then, as the seasons progress, the light becomes increasingly red until it is
predominantly red in the fall, that is the cycle mj evolved to expect, so you,
as an indoor cultivator, must replicate those conditions as closely as you are
able.

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I really hate to disagree with bozo, and the common belief, that color spectrum plays such a crucial role in cannabis growing. I have used MH for veg and HPS for flowering. I also have used HPS all the way from seed or clone, to finish. When my 1k HPS died, I used a 1k MH as an emergency fix. I flowered several plants with nothing but MH.

I now veg with a mix of cfl's and 4 foot shop lights (spectrum?). Flowering takes place under 2 400w and 1 1k, all HPS.

Honestly, I have noticed very little, if any, difference in the quality or weight of the final product.

I don't want to ruffle any feathers with this, but, just want you to realize that this growing thing can be WAY less complicated, than one is sometimes led to believe.

Sorry to disagree with some very knowledgeable people, here. This is just from my experience. My experience, by the way, is gleened from necessity, not from scientific experimentation.

But then, I could be wrong.


Pappy

hey my friend, if we all agreed about everything, we wouldn't have anything
to say to each other, lol.

and the truth is, you are right in everything you say, with the caveat that i am
also right, lol.

hell, my first ever crop was grown under 2x 175watt Mercury Vapor lights!
very crappy results, lol!

what that means is that many things will work but it really is true that mj
receives both red and blue throughout its life cycle in the wild.
and more blue in the spring and more red in the fall.

also, it's been my experience that, when i veg under blue light only, my internodes
are so short, i can't take cuttings.

so, while it may not be necessary for plant growth, the closer you can come
to replicating the natural environment that your plants evolved to utilize,
the better they will grow.

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Thanks for the info guys-both very helpful. I'm realizing that i'll probably learn the most from my first grow, but I'm somewhat of a perfectionist, so i'd like to get great results the first time.

Could someone tell me what to do with plants that are growing crooked? I have a couple that are like this-its possibly because I let it germinate too long and the roots were about an 1 1/2" or so when I planted them in soil. Here are the crooked plants:

day 11 crooked plant.jpg

crooked #2 day 11.jpg

Any help is appreciated! Thanks!!

A few days under lights and they will straighten right out.


Pappy

nothing to worry about grasshopper, lol.

really, all you need to do is push it up with your fingers and prop it up, just go easy,
you don't want to break it.

here's a couple pics of one i had that came out ass first, oddly enough, it became
the most vigorous of my 5 White Rhino plants.

btw, she is still a very tasty girl, lol.

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??? They've been under for 12 days

Thanks Bozo-will try that

He means that it will eventually straighten towards the light... 12 days is a blink of an eye for a plant ;-P

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Just a man, his dog and his grill...

you don't NEED to do anything, like Pappy said, if you leave it alone, it will grow toward the light by itself.

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Cool-will do. I guess I just really need to be more patient lol. Could I please get your guys opinion on when I should put these in bigger pots? The plants are still in the ones I started them in: 3x3" and only 2 1/4" deep starter pots. Ive been using fox farm ocean forest the whole time.

Here are some pics from day 12.

Biggest plant-day 12.jpg

Day 12 from side.jpg

Day 12.jpg

Thanks guys.

what exactly is sog???

what exactly is sog???
Sea of Green, it's a style of growing.

When you start seeing roots coming out the bottom then plant them up into bigger pots. The plants always tell you what they want. We just need to "learn" their language...and pataints is the key.

SOG is "Sea of Green". If you click bozo's member name, then go to his thread you can read about this and see what he does and how he does it.

Or do a search and check out the answers. Also look in the FAQ's on the home page. It is in there as well.

Peace

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