see, with this the wet fermentation is to get with of the green chlorophyll only which if not cared of first will limit my time of extraction, so the natural process of elimination of a problem to me is to fermented the chloro out first and then make the extraction. the taste should stay then still since it is only about chloro what i gonna do.

with a quick ash you try to avoid the chloro to be wasted out with the THC, and i want all THC out and the chloro first gone to be able to do so


and besides this, as higher the prove is of the iso the chemically purer it also is, and since 71% iso can be damn dirty stuff i wouldn't recommend to use it really.

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Have you tried this? Please *try it* and *then* let us know how it is, green.

Plainly stated...I like the pure taste I'm getting and see no need to water cure.

And FWIW, this TUTORIAL wasn't meant to illustrate any aspect of using water cured bud for the process. It's not a PROVEN method as far as I have seen.

If I'm wrong, please post a thread/tutorial on the process and folks can choose which method they feel suits their needs the best. At this point in time, the iso method outlined above is the easiest, tried and true method that produces the highest quality product that I've seen to date.

good luck

btdt

so far i have only tried the simple method of an iso extraction, but since i will finish my T5 grow with high probability on friday and water cure this harvest, going to try it out and we will have some results on my idea in a few days from now...

besides, as i stated above, i tried the iso method and wasn't to pleased since it gotten to green, i tried before bubble hash/ ice-o-lator sieving filtration which worked well in terms of hash but of this it didn't produce to much... we will see if this turns out well and it is not about proving anybody wrong btdt, i just want to put the age on it and get all the THC out, that is my only intention

with a traditional iso wash you are already right on target, as you can tell by results earlier on

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Hi there, thank you so much for the hash oil process. I am anxious to try it. Be Well, Be Safe and Be High....just me..natural lady

So, it sounds like the alcohol along with the shaking is causing the bud to drop the trichomes.

This was a very interesting read. I will have to try this.

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I'm wondering, what if you first applied this technique? Water curing then upon being dried once again, apply: QwikWash iso hash oil ?
Or does that make the process overly complicated ?

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me too... lol. im going back to my butane method anyways. I taste waaaaay too much chloro in this. But its my own fault.


I just made a batch of iso last night. Took my first hit an hour ago.

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Does the hash oil also have a cure time to allow the taste to mellow out?

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hahaha i hope so!! this stuff tastes horrible!!!!!

i may have done something wrong, again. i never seem to get it right with iso, only butane.

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I really need to know if the ISO stays in the oil and is harmful if swallowed as in Hemp oil....for sick people you do not want to also be poisoning them too.

This is important for very very many people.

Peace

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As with all hash/honey oil extracted with >>solvents<< it is very wise to heat the final product in hot water (not boiling, but close) in a double-boiler for a period of about 20-30 minutes (with butane, until the creamy look/the quick bubbling in the oil stops). Quality oil will be red/yellow/orange'ish and CLEAR...not green or black. (smear some on a rolling paper and look at the color)

if it tastes like crap you ****ed it up. Period.

ww

Windowpane I've never heard to heat it again after it evaporates. Thanks.

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One can never be too careful, land. If you don't get it too hot all you will lose is the impurities. After you do it a few times you will begin to get a feel for when it is "done'.

jangel, in the end "water" extractions are the cleanest but the above added step will ensure that you've done all you can to protect your patients from toxins.

'pane

I finally got this current batch of oil (BHO) to the point where I feel ALL of the impurities/solvents have vanished and it is safe to smoke.

I arrived @ this point via 3 seperate "double boil" procedures where I heated water in a pan to ALMOST boiling and then sat my pan of oil into it. After awhile the oil heats up and you can see the "froth"/cloudy area containing small bubbles start to come alive. Once this happens i shake the pan slightly from side-to-side and swish the oil around....and it is then that i see the smaller bubbles diminishing.

Once the bubbles are alll gone and the color and clarity of the oil are the same across the pan let the oil cool. If no further bubbles form, you are DONE! (again..it took me 3 times to get to this point as everytime it cooled I could see more bubbles until the 3rd time) NOTE: there are a few small peices of pot in this batch from a filter failure seen in the pic. no biggie..but I figured someone would ask "WTF is that?" so there ya go!

now it's time to get cross-eyed!

ww

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hooorah!

Is there any way to do this all the way through with grain alcohol (i.e. everclear) and not have to use isopropyl? Just wondering if the potential toxin-factors can be better eliminated.

I've never tried Grain Alcohol in this process so I can't really comment on it's use.

From what I understand butane is "cleaner' than iso and will evap more readily and fully from the product whereas with iso there will be minor impurities left in the mix. I can only imagine that >>if<< Grain does work you would have to work FAST...just as with the iso...to avoid ending up with the fabled "black tar' that is full of chlorophyll and is a sure sign you didn't complete the process in the required time frame.

just to again note....this batch is BHO oil...not ISO oil. (my kid requested that I make BHO so he could smoke it/see the process in action or I would have simply made BUBBLEHASH with it and SKIPPED THE SOLVENTS altogether)

either way...save ALL of your trim, kids....

ww

Btdt

Thanks for your helpful information along with the photos of each process. Although you use this Oil for smoking....can it be used INTERNALLY do you know for treating medical illnesses? Would it be the same equivalent to Rick Simpsons Hemp Oil for Healing? The reason I ask is that I find your way of Extracting Oil more pleasant and much more simpler than the Rick Simpson method... and the more I look into the research of this, it seems the longer the bud is in the alcohol, the darker your oil will be... so wondering or trying to make the eqation: Both oils would contain the same content level of THC for healing, the only difference is colour due to the extraction process used...YES????
Cheers Jude

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I think that btdt cat musta flew the coop.

Yes, this oil can be used internally. Eaten, smoked, made into tincture (might be messy, not sure)....same as any cannabis product. I do not eat cannabis personally because it does very little in my system in that form (tolerance is a bittch) but I imagine this would be a very strong mix for many patients who do eat it.

And yes..i think you have it. Qwik washing will offer potency and purity. Slow wash or letting it sit for days in the alcohol will still offer the same potency but the oil is definitely full of more impurities than the QW oil is.

Please report back on the effectiveness of this product. I'd really like to hear how well it works for those who usually eat cannabis in other forms.

ww

hi... can anyone suggest to me a 'bonafide straight' reason for buying 91% isoprophyl alcohol. Presumably from the chemist, they are bound to ask, I like to have a ready answer. Thanks

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