Alright, sorry if someone was expecting a tutorial, but I've got a question for you all. I know that when salt is added to water it makes the freezing point lower, making the water able to become much colder. It also makes the density of the water greater, which would make a lot of the leaf matter stay afloat, but would it also make trichones float, or have any other negative effect?

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no f-ing clue lol but great question my only concern would be how much end product would have sodium in it ??? and im pretty sure you are not supposed to inhale any form of potassium or sodium complex's... but good question it would make hash making a whole lot easier if the separated quicker and stayed separated better

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And remember just try and act NORML

Well sodium and potassium are both fully soluable in water. so I say use some distilled water at the end to wash the hash off before drying.

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Dude, I like how you think. I believe your on target too, but would love to see some experiments first.
Peace

Hmmmm...maybe that old Ice Cream maker I've got is worth using for something?...

ISO

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I just got some bubblebags, next time I have some extra trim I'll do a test. In theory it should make the process more efficient since the heads will be harder.. unless they float.

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well shit tell me more of what your thinking im running bubble bags soon about 2 lbs of material. im willing to try it

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And remember just try and act NORML

The whole theory is that when you add salt to water, it becomes more(less?) dense, also lowering the freezing point, so salt water can get down to 20 degrees without freezing. Also, if you've ever been to one of the great salt lakes, you'll notice, you have to try to sink. it is very hard to get underwater, and small cars have floated before. so, while the water would separate the hash from the leaf material via density difference, it could also make some larger trichs float, but the screens would grab them up.

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I myself have heard that salt and other things can be a contaminent for hash, especially if were talking bubblehash. You should check out this article http://www.cannabisculture.com/articles/2789.html

it becomes more dense and has less capacity due to the salt to store energy/heat. with a saturated salt solution you could go down to about -6°F - but you could have grow of salt crystals, especially in the time you in which the trimmings are left to chill in the ice water. and washing our hash will also wash hash away...
and the flotation effect that is due to the higher density is also something to watch out for.

i would rather work here with two buckets, one with the bags and normal ice water and a second far larger one with salt, ice and a tiny bit water -just as with making ice cream the old fashion way

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Green,

I agree with your suggested set up. It accomplishes a deeper chill and yet does not contaminate the product. Just like ISO suggested the "ice cream" approach.

Anything thing other than this approach seems to be too risky.

Having said that, I remember one of my favorite quotes:

The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable man persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man. (George Bernard Shaw)

well, i would have put my bet on the man of reason as he figures his way around but i guess my approach is to reasonable to allow humor

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Shaw was an interesting writer who pointed out things in an unusual way. My take on this quote is the unreasonable man is the sand in the ouster. He has a place in raising the questions, but I believe it is up to reasonable poeple to find the answers and make it work. As per your solution on this thread.

chicken'n'egg situation

Watch Jorge Cervantes Hash making video on youtube where he makes bubblehash, he points out that you should use distilled water when you make hash because you don't want any salts or dissolved solids as they are contaminents to your hash. The whole reason the bubblehash system works is because oil is heavier than water and thc and cannabinoids are oil based so when put in water seperate, the ice only helps to support the crystals sinking to the bottom because once the resin heads freeze they sink. I bet if you make hash with salt water you'll have some salty ass hash, rather a peanut than salt on my hash.

Apparently you didn't read everything. Ice only helps the trichs become hard and fall off. They will sink no matter the temperature. Sodium chloride(table salt) also is 100% soluble in water, making a simple water wash able to remove any salts. Unless you have another chemical attatching itself to the salts they will not be pulled out of their dissolved state, so even regular water is ok.

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You quote me as if to say what I just said is wrong, but you just agreed with my quote, apparently you didn't read right because the point of my quote was to say that you should "only use fresh water" and not use salt water because it will contaminate your hash. If you have some method of somehow using saltwater with bubblehash without contaminating your hash I'd like to see it, otherwise take this up with Jorge Cervantes at high times!

we want to use the salt to low the temp man, no extraction in salt water here, just to chill the outside of the bucket as if you make ice cream the old fashion way.

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Then why not just surround your bucket with dry ice?

with just ice you get only to freezing point, with some salt added you get 20 degrees lower and dry ice isn't as cheap as a bag of crushed ice and some salt

you never made your own ice cream or did you?

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