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StillSmoking · #21 (**permalink**) 03-15-2008, 10:12 PM

After picking roses for my wife, I use to add a couple of tea spoons of sugar and 2 drops of bleach to the flower pot. The sugar gave the plant the extra energy it needed and the 2 drops of bleach killed off any germs in the water. And the water in the pot would also be luke warm. This also helped to force the cuttings to take in the sgars to the plant and gave it a boost of energy allowing the cutting to live allot longer.

#22 (**permalink**) 03-16-2008, 12:34 AM

is there anything else that can supplement this ? my shop is pretty lame, honey maybe?

tokecrazy · #23 (**permalink**) 03-16-2008, 12:17 PM

I'am not sure of your question.Are there other sugars that can be used,just the nutr makers carbo sugars and molasses,that's all I know of.I'am going to give GH's floraNectar a try this time around.I use molasses now in the one soil plant I got going. PEACE

MR DONTH8 · #24 (**permalink**) 03-16-2008, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by keyunit

is there anything else that can supplement this ? my shop is pretty lame, honey maybe?

Yes, if you cannot get the others. It depends on what your grow medium is. Hydro, you cant use cane sugar the same way. in the event you have to use sugar. Brown sugar and the natural sugars are best, not so much the white. in hydro, i would only use 1 tsp- 1 tbl max. in soil i would mix a tbl spoon with my water solution. I have also used small clumps of brown sugar on the top of the soil, and after a week or two the plant had drawn the brown right out the sugar leaving it whitish brown. Turbinado sugar is very natural but really the worst to use in hydro and i haven't tried it in soil. i have read up on a this a lot in the past. theres cases of using soda and such also, im sure you could even use a tsp or 2 of corn syrup in a 25 gallon reservoir too. I only used sweet because some magazine was like the buds and stems were bleeding resin. i think by resin they ment oil form sappy thc. so they showed a clouse up and that got me hooked. imagine a nug of that in a volcano. well, we use sweet from start to finish practically, not start, but soon after. and i used raw sugar for years, soda can bottoms too. I have never seen the sap. so I just go on what the scientific data says about the benefits of sugars and use it for that reason. otherwise, i wouldn't use sugar knowingly.

jangel · #25 (**permalink**) 03-24-2008, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by keyunit

is there anything else that can supplement this ? my shop is pretty lame, honey maybe?

I have heard that Honey has an astringent quality in it that is not desirable in plants. I would try it first on something you are not in love with before I tried it on my babies.

Also, sugar us very good in humans on a wound topcally, to help the cells regenerate. It also fights infection on a cellular leval. It must do the same for plants.

life,
j-angel

chuckd420 · #26 (**permalink**) 01-16-2009, 05:57 AM

So, molasses won't work in a DWC setup, even though there are no lines to clog? How much does the GH Floranectar usually cost?

danksterz101 · #27 (**permalink**) 01-16-2009, 06:31 AM

You have a DWC with no lines? Use pure cane sugar in hydro and aeroponic systems so there is no clog. It's next best natural sugar next to molasses I think. Sweet contains this stuff too.

chuckd420 · #28 (**permalink**) 01-16-2009, 07:41 AM

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Originally Posted by danksterz101

You have a DWC with no lines? Use pure cane sugar in hydro and aeroponic systems so there is no clog. It's next best natural sugar next to molasses I think. Sweet contains this stuff too.

I haven't built my setup yet, but as I understand DWC, like the rubbermaid tub setups, that you don't have a feed line all of the plants sit on top of the res. and their roots hang down into the nutes. The only line is an air line supplying the airstone. Would there still be problems with using molasses? I've never grown in a hydro setup before and I'm trying to get as much info gathered as I can before I start

danksterz101 · #29 (**permalink**) 01-16-2009, 05:21 PM

I have not done DWC as of yet but that is my very next step. I heard all the good things about this system and love the idea of the oxygenated roots. The roots I've seen grown with this system are MASSIVE and in the end will bring massive buds. I want to start with 50 5 gallon buckets and make the system myself. I know a buddy who bought the GH DWC system and reproduced it, so I will try to get his help on this. Has anyone seen any posts on this for a recirculating central res. sys? Here is a link for a simple DWC

I don't think you will have a problem with using molasses as long as you don't have small drains or irrigation systems. In your case you just have a bubbler which I don't think will be affected. Good Luck.

danksterz101 · #30 (**permalink**) 01-16-2009, 07:12 PM

As I was adding some sugar to my coffee I noticed I use Domino's premium pure cane granulated sugar. I was wondering if this could be used as a carb supplement. After researching a little I think that it probably isn't a good thing to use since it goes through a series of refining and heat drying processes. I know Botanicare's Sweet uses pure cane sugar and also has other additives, probably to help break it down into simple sugars.

I think this Domino sugar is sucrose a disaccharide and can be broken down into glucose and fructose. I'm not sure how long the breakdown takes. Sucrose and starch can be broken down using simple chemical means. Sucrose is broken down into glucose and fructose by heating with acid.

Glucose (= dextrose), fructose (= levulose, fruit sugar), and sucrose (= table sugar, cane sugar, beet sugar) are the main sugars in cane juice, and starch is the starting point for making corn syrup (which is blended with cane syrup by some syrup makers).

Carbohydrates can be converted from one to another using enzymes (proteins that specifically speed certain reactions.) A commonly used enzyme is an invertase obtained from yeast. This enzyme catalyzes the breakdown of sucrose into glucose and fructose. (Glucose and fructose are thus invert sugars because a physical property, rotation of plane-polarized light, has been inverted [changed from plus to minus] by the conversion of sucrose to the two 6-carbon sugars). If the treatment is too short or if the conditions (e.g., amount of invertase) are not optimum, all the sucrose may not be broken down. A second commonly used enzyme is one of the amylases, which partially break down starch. Amylases are used to manufacture some corn syrups and to prevent gelling of sorghum syrup. Finally, another enzyme, an isomerase, converts a portion of glucose to fructose. Use of this enzyme permits the production of High-Fructose Corn Syrup (after the starch has been converted to glucose). Corn syrup is, of course, a cheap sweetner and various formulations find their way into many foods such as breakfast cereals, canned fruit, ketchup, soft drinks . . . . As you have noticed, the trivial names of enzymes end in -ase.

danksterz101 · #31 (**permalink**) 01-16-2009, 07:15 PM

I found some more detailed info to what is really in Sweet.

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Sweet™
Organic Carbohydrate Synthesizer

Sweet™ organic carbohydrate synthesizer contains carbohydrates, organic acids, vitamins, amino acids, esters, essential secondary and trace elements which are utilized for the bio-synthesis of crucial compounds to maintain optimal metabolism.

Plant Physiologists have determined that a high phosphorous: nitrogen (P/N) ratio favors flowering and fruit development, whereas, a low P/N ratio favors vegetative growth. For this reason, it is common practice to cut down on nitrogen levels at the onset of flowering.

Unfortunately, this sudden deprivation of nitrogen results in a metabolic imbalance caused by limited nitrogen availability.Crucial nitrogen-containing compounds such as amino acids, proteins, enzymes, nucleic acids, vitamins and hormones cannot be synthesized fast enough to keep up with the metabolic demands of the plant. Furthermore, the undesirable effects of nitrogen deprivation are amplified under enriched carbon dioxide atmospheres and high light intensities.

Sweet™ organic carbohydrate synthesizer is scientifically formulated with carbohydrates, organic acids, vitamins, amino acids, and selected bioactive esters for flavor and aroma enhancement. The unique chemical composition of Sweet™ makes it beneficial during all phases of plant growth.

During the vegetative phase, application of Sweet™ prevents plants from becoming leggy and soft-stemmed in the presence of high nitrogen concentrations.

At the onset of flowering application of Sweet™ ensures a seamless and stress-free transition from the vegetative to the flowering stage even though nitrogen levels are artificially kept low. The key ingredients present in Sweet™ are rapidly taken up by plants and utilized for the biosynthesis of crucial compounds to maintain optimal metabolism.

The continued application of Sweet™ during the flowering and fruiting stages helps maintain a proper balance between photosynthesis and respiration. This is significant because, during flowering, many growers use high carbon dioxide concentrations, high temperatures and light with longer wavelengths. Under such conditions, respiration can outstrip photosynthesis causing excessive ethylene production which results in senescence, yellowing of leaves and leggy growth. Sweet™ protects plants from this metabolic imbalance and helps produce sturdy stems with short internodes and an abundance of buds, flowers and fruits.

Sweet™ contains a unique combination of organic compounds and essential elements that are directly involved in plant photosynthesis and respiration

A. Carbohydrates are the end products of photosynthesis. Carbohydrates are broken down during respiration to release large amounts of chemical energy which is utilized by plants for biosynthetic reactions. Sweet™ contains optimal concentrations of glucose, fructose and sucrose.

B. Organic acids are formed during respiration as a consequence of the oxidation of pyruvic acid via the well-known Krebs cycle. Sweet™ contains citric acid and ascorbic acid (vitamin C).

C. Vitamins play a crucial role in plant development because they function as co-factors for enzymes involved in carbohydrate metabolism and for enzymes involved in the biosynthesis of proteins and nucleic acids. Sweet™ contains significant amounts of thiamine, riboflavin, pyridoxine, niacin, and other B-complex vitamins obtained from fermented yeast extracts.

D. Amino acids are important plant nutrients because they serve as building blocks for proteins, including structural proteins and enzymes. In addition, amino acids are also involved in RNA and DNA synthesis. Sweet™ contains the following amino acids: glycine, alanine, valine, leucine, isoleucine, serine, threonine, aspartic acid, glutamic acid, asparagine, glutamine, lysine, arginine, histidine, cysteine, cystine, methionine, proline, phenylalanine, tyrosine and tryptophan.

E. Esters are formed by linking organic acids and alcohols. Esters act as flavor and aroma enhancers in plant products. Sweet™ contains esters derived from natural sources.

F. Polyphenolic Compounds act as natural antioxidants, and assist in slowing down the aging process, providing more vigorous growth and a healthier plant. Polyhenolic compounds work synergistically with esters to enhance flavors and aromas.

G. Essential secondary and trace elements are included in the formulation because they are obligatory co-factors for some of the enzymes involved in photosynthesis and respiration. Sweet™contains magnesium, sulfur, iron, boron, manganese, zinc, copper and molybdenum.

1. Benson, A.A., and Calvin, M., “Carbon Dioxide Fixation by Green Plants.” Ann. Rev. Plant Physiol., 1:25, 1950. Nobel Prize winning research. Discusses the path of radioactive carbon in photosynthesis.

2. Clayton, R.K., “Photosynthesis: Physical Mechanisms and Chemical Patterns.” London: Cambridge University Press. 1980. General Discussion of photosynthesis.

3. Krebs, H.A., and Johnson, W.A., “The Role of Citric Acid in the Intermediate Metabolism in Animal Tissue.” Enzymologia 4: 1489-156, 1937. Nobel Prize winning work by Krebs, one of the greatest biochemists of the century

4. Roehrig, K.L., Carbohydrate Biochemistry and Metabolism. Westport, CT: Avi Publ. Co. 1984. Covers carbohydrate metabolism at an elementary level.

Ingredients:

Cane sugar, citric acid, ascorbic acid (vitamin c), thiamine, riboflavin, pyridoxine, niacin, glycine, alanine, valine, leucine, isoleucine, serine, threonine, aspartic acid, glutamic acid, asparagine, glutamine, lysine, arginine, histidine, cysteine, cystine, methionine, proline, phenylalanine, tyrosine, trytophan, Epsom salt, ferrous sulfate, agrimineral™ 76 micro complex.

tokecrazy · #32 (**permalink**) 01-16-2009, 08:17 PM

That's real good infor on the sweet.I use it and it dose what it say it dose.I like it for I can use it in soil or any hydro system.You can use it with all nutr makers nutr and it mix easy too.Peace

smoking Joe · #33 (**permalink**) 01-17-2009, 07:03 PM

Pappy,

Did you ever mix molasses with guano tea during the flowering period?

Smoking Joe

PFC Stone · #34 (**permalink**) 05-14-2009, 02:19 PM

Great post!!!

4evergreen · #35 (**permalink**) 05-21-2009, 05:15 PM

Thanks for all the info in this thread

Redwood1 · #36 (**permalink**) 10-23-2009, 04:40 AM

I have to say that I agree with Sweet being a good product. I used it through this last flowering cycle and I am seeing some of the nicest buds I think I have ever seen. Plus the smell is like never before. I use Canna Boost as well which I think is a sugar based product. For this last week of flush Im going to give it Canna Boost, Sweet, and Im going to put in the floraNectar the pineaple one. Along with Banna Manna. Im hoping for some great flavor and smell.