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Old 02-19-2008, 12:25 AM
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I have heard of a method called sea of green does anyone know how i would go along to do this method?
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it depends alot on how big you want each plant to be and you want a strain that doesn't branch much. with sea of green you can pack your plants as many as 4 per square foot ie useing 6" inch square pot. but to pack that many in there you only let the clones veg for no more then 2 weeks after they get roots if your lucky you'll get about 20 grams for each plant once you get everything down pat. or you can go for a plant per square foot for a better yeild per plant. along with the bigger yeild per plant you also get bigger buds. the purpose of sea of green is to have more or less a little forest of buds. most people useing sea of green useuly trim off the lower shoots that wont add much to yeild so the plant uses all it energy on the main bud helping it get bigger and fatter
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it depends alot on how big you want each plant to be and you want a strain that doesn't branch much. with sea of green you can pack your plants as many as 4 per square foot ie useing 6" inch square pot. but to pack that many in there you only let the clones veg for no more then 2 weeks after they get roots if your lucky you'll get about 20 grams for each plant once you get everything down pat. or you can go for a plant per square foot for a better yeild per plant. along with the bigger yeild per plant you also get bigger buds. the purpose of sea of green is to have more or less a little forest of buds. most people useing sea of green useuly trim off the lower shoots that wont add much to yeild so the plant uses all it energy on the main bud helping it get bigger and fatter
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For my SOG i trim the the first and second off chutes coming off of the main branches, not the main stalk, but the branches coming off IT. With my SOG i do light stress training, which is basically tying them down to spread the plant out, with 8 plants 1 per square foot. The concept of sea of green is to grow a large canopy of bud, not necessarily trying to get the most yield per plant. but the most yield per area.
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i useuly try trimming my lower branches off no later then 2 weeks into flowering but useuly before i put the plants to flower evan if the shoots are just starting just bend them to the side far enough and they snap off
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IF YOU GUYS WANT TO DO A SoG THEN THIS IS WHAT YOU NEED TO READ! AND READ THE WHOLE THING DONT ASK ?S DONT TALK SMACK JUST READ IT ALL AND YOU'LL BE ABLE TO DO THE SoG ON ANY SCALE WITH ANY SETUP, YOU JUST HAVE TO HAVE AN IMAGINATION TO APPLY TO YOUR SITUATION Get a harvest every 2 weeks - Marijuana Growing
THIS IS THE ABSOLUTE ANSWER TO EVERY QUESTION ALREADY IN HERE AND THE ONE YOU WANNA ASK

also just for your knowledge my setup takes about as much room as this guys and the cost for EVERYTHING to get going was around $1800
3-600wt $800
1-fan&1-carbon filter $300
5-flood trays and res $400
pumps, plastic, nutes, odd and ends $300

and this is about 1.5-2.25 lbs every 2 weeks
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looks like the old sea-of green vid put to words in my opion but still very good info there :thanks: also you can do it on a very small grow of only 4 plants in flower upto as many as your space and lighting will allow
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IF YOU GUYS WANT TO DO A SoG THEN THIS IS WHAT YOU NEED TO READ! AND READ THE WHOLE THING DONT ASK ?S DONT TALK SMACK JUST READ IT ALL AND YOU'LL BE ABLE TO DO THE SoG ON ANY SCALE WITH ANY SETUP, YOU JUST HAVE TO HAVE AN IMAGINATION TO APPLY TO YOUR SITUATION Get a harvest every 2 weeks - Marijuana Growing
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Hey Cmak40,Yes that's good and all.But alot of us will not be able to see the link to it over at RIU.Alot of us are band from there.We have the Over Grow Facts here in our FAQ secton.If you could copy&paste it here in this forum so many would be able to see it and be greatfull for posting it. PEACE
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A harvest every two weeks with Sea of Green


This style of op is known as 'Sea of Green' or SoG.
You can build this op in any scale you like, from a single mother and just one plant put in to the flowering area every two weeks up to as big as your needs require.
The idea is to grow only the top cola of a naturally growing plant with none of the lower branches and the small buds those branches produce. All branching, pretty much everything on the lower 1/3 of the plant, is snipped off in about wk 2 & 3.
The method of putting clones in to flower with no vegging time keeps plants relatively short, to about 36-40" (1 metre), which better suits artificial lighting.
Even powerful HPS lighting can only penetrate foliage so deeply, so a metre tall is just about right. I find that big lights give better bud density, so I use two 1000W HPS, one over each pair of 4' x 4' flood trays.
The mums are maintained under 24 hour 400W HPS. The clonebox has 6x 18W fluoro tubes (24"), usually on 24/7 but shut off for the first 6-8 hours after doing a new batch of cuttings.
Clones go straight from the clonebox into the flowering trays- no vegging required. They grow a little bit vegetatively for the first 3-4 weeks but then stop getting taller and start making bud weight after then.
I keep about 6-8 mothers and do about 30 cuttings every 2 weeks from them. I choose the best 20-23 clones to be put in the 4-tray flowering area.
Leftover clones become replacement mothers or are discarded. Mothers are replaced one by one, about every 4-8 weeks as needed.
As each batch of clones goes in to tray #1, a batch comes out of tray #4 to be harvested, every 2 weeks.
The mother vegging area is in the same room with the flowering plants, but has a lightproof curtain to prevent interrupting the flowering plants' lightcycle and has its own ventilation system as well. Each tray in both the veg & flower areas has its own pump, reservoir tank and timer, allowing the watering rate and nute mix to be tailored to the plant for vegging as well as during each 2 week phase of flowering. The op makes 13-16oz every 2 weeks, sometimes more if all is going well. I guess that's 360-450g+ every 2 wks
Figure that the entire grow op fits in a cramped and tiny 7' tall x 8' wide x 9' long space. High weed density growing.
What kind of plants are you growing? - Sweet Tooth #4 from Spice of Life Seeds
I think you have six mothers? Well when you take 30 clones from them how long does it take for more to grow back. I know it has to be least then two weeks.- Takes almost exactly 15 days for the mums to regrow. They'll have new material about 20" tall in that time. I raise MUCH more mum material than I need. I compost about 2/3 of the new material from each mum each time I do a pass of cuttings. However, overgrowing the mums this way, I am assured of healthy, thick stems for top performing clones. The fatter the better.
What kind of hydro setup are you using?- It is a flood hydro system, even for the mums. 5 trays total, 5 tanks. Cuttings are rooted in rockwool cubes. I use 8" plastic pots stuffed with loose rockwool for raising plants. No soil- no thanks.

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thanks scott, jus ahead of me. any more questions post ill try and answer or find the answer but PLEASE do not post simple questions that can be answered in another forum but things that relate to what is going on in here.
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was reading in the thread there again and here is a summary of it about half way thru that someone else did might answer some questions before there asked.

remember this is 4 ebb n flow tables 3x3 and a mother ebb n flow table 1x5 i think

Motherz
Plants grown from seed need 6-8 weeks to sexual maturity.
-Under my old light, 24 hrs
Canna Vega Sunstra, 1400ppm, 5.5-5.8, also H2O2, Epsom salts and calcium.
‘Tip’ the main growth to force division
Take 15 days to re-grow-so 3 Momz need are really 6, (3 replacements)
-After 3-4 cuttings (about 2 mos worth) discard and replace (get gnarly), ready in about 2 weeks.


Clonez
-Rooting takes 10-12 days
-No grow nutes added to clone watering mixture.
-pH correct with phosphoric acid 'pHDown' to 5.5 and add 10ml 50% grade H2O2 per 10L of clone watering soln
-Use my fluorescent 10-12 days, then put in BLOOM
24 hr light EXCEPT for 1st cutting (1 night dark, next few 18/6)
Every 2 weeks

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All flowering tanks:
-get Canna Flores Substra, 1400ppm @ 5.5-5.8 (400ml ea A & B in 125L tank of 7.1 tapwater). except last tray
- teaspoon of Epsom Salts per 100L w/each new fresh mix
-10ml/125L of Canna liquid calcium. w/each new fresh mix
-get dosed with H2O2, 50% grade @ 1ml/litre every 3-4 days to control pathogens.
-1000 HPS @ 12/12

-tray 1 is mixed for just-rooted cuttings, from week 0-2. (900-1100ppm)pH5.8
-tray 2 is for week 2-4 (TRIM time!-once in week 2, once in 3) and gets a slightly stronger mix than #1.
-tray 3 gets 1300-1500ppm
Also gets a dose of 0.5ml/litre Canna PK-13-14 in wk 5 (a Phosphorous additive). (1300-1500ppm + whatever the PK-13-14 bumps it up to)
-tray 4 can be simply pH adjusted tap water
-Can just be ONE tray

As each batch of clones goes in to tray #1, a batch comes out of tray #4 to be harvested, every 2 weeks.

1400ppm @ 5.8.
Don't overwater nor overfertilize, keep your room at 24-26C @ 30-50% RH
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al's system is a good one, esp for the small time med grower. however, i don't think it's the best method, esp for sog. varying canopy heights make it hard to place the fixture; those finishing are too close, those starting are too far (unless each flat has it's own light...

imo, a perpetual grow works out better for yield. you may only get a return every 8-12 weeks instead of 2, but it makes things easier to take care of ;)

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thats very nice but THIS THREAD is for sea of green, not perpetual full flower grows! and als setup is an exact image of what SoG is and to take care of light differentiation just adjust your table. i said before use your imagination. you may do what you do and thats fine if you want to convince people to follow your ways the make a thread dedicated to you type of grow. sea of green does not mean your 2 car garage looks like an ocean of weed it means you get waves of weed every 2 weeks. and as for size it can be done on any scale just if you get to big you might need a partner. but u could have 1 mom and 5 clones harvesting every 2 weeks. as i said before tho RELEVENT QUESTIONS or advice is wanted here not personnal opinions on what they think of this type of grow style.
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thats very nice but THIS THREAD is for sea of green, not perpetual full flower grows! and als setup is an exact image of what SoG is and to take care of light differentiation just adjust your table. i said before use your imagination. you may do what you do and thats fine if you want to convince people to follow your ways the make a thread dedicated to you type of grow. sea of green does not mean your 2 car garage looks like an ocean of weed it means you get waves of weed every 2 weeks. and as for size it can be done on any scale just if you get to big you might need a partner. but u could have 1 mom and 5 clones harvesting every 2 weeks. as i said before tho RELEVENT QUESTIONS or advice is wanted here not personnal opinions on what they think of this type of grow style.
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I find this whole thread confusing, and people giving advice that are also confused. I do not believe that SOG has anything whatsoever to do with a perpetual harvest, although some people grow a SOG and a perpetual harvest all in one.

SOG does not mean to harvest every two weeks.

SOG is simply growing the smallest possible plant flowering in the quickest possible time.

Your chosen method of growing, be it dirt or hydro, has nothing to do with SOG, and sexual maturity does not take 6-8 weeks, if it does, theres a problem you need to investigate further.
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I find this whole thread confusing, and people giving advice that are also confused. I do not believe that SOG has anything whatsoever to do with a perpetual harvest, although some people grow a SOG and a perpetual harvest all in one.

SOG does not mean to harvest every two weeks.

SOG is simply growing the smallest possible plant flowering in the quickest possible time.

Your chosen method of growing, be it dirt or hydro, has nothing to do with SOG, and sexual maturity does not take 6-8 weeks, if it does, theres a problem you need to investigate further.
the true meanig of SoG is waves of weed, now you are right small plants flowering fast is the best way to gain the most yeild but the meaning is what it is, and yes your right it can be done anyway you want, dunno bout that maturity thing your prob right
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the true meanig of SoG is waves of weed, now you are right small plants flowering fast is the best way to gain the most yeild but the meaning is what it is, and yes your right it can be done anyway you want, dunno bout that maturity thing your prob right
i'm sorry, but you're wrong. a sea of green is A SEA OF GREEN! ever look out at the ocean at sunset? notice how flat and ominous it looks? spreading to the horizon? are you starting to get the picture?

2 weeks, or 8 weeks. perpetual is perpetual. just one better than the other. i wonder which..... ?

tell ya what. go find something somewhere that says waves of green (and i don't mean a thread from this weekend, or a "can't be found" antique copy of hightimes) and post it here. i'm sure gp or vid or any noob with 30 seconds and the ability to use the search box will be able to find the tru def from multiple sources, mainly faq's and books. o.0

this is what i mean about the blind leading the blind. i don't think this is the right site for you. go away, and take your negativity with you.
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i think the sea of green crop rotation is a good idea. there is no real definition for "sea of green". in general it means lots of plants in a small space creating a large canopy. just because cmak40 wants to have a nice little rotation going on doesnt mean his sea of green is "wrong". some people have the space to do that. a crop rotation of 30 plants is still a larger "sea of green" than my closet-full of 6 "sea of green" plants.

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what a hypocrite! anyone is allowed to be here and post here. why do you keep YOUR negativity out of here? people bashing one another about the definition of "sea of green" is silly. and telling them to leave is ridiculous. grow up like your plants.
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Sea of Green (SOG) is the theory of harvesting lots of small plants, matured early to get the fastest production of buds available. Instead of growing a few plants for a longer period of time, in the same space many smaller plants are grown that mature faster and in less time. Thus, less time is required between crops.



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