Built me a new cloner yesterday, and it was a day of "trial and error", for sure.

Goal was to make a 15 spot aeroponic cloner (like the EZ Cloner). For equipment I used a Mag Drive 700 pump, and fed that directly into the sprayer ass'y.

To make a Loonnnngggg day (and story) short, I ended up making it out of a 36 qt. Coleman cooler, as I could not keep anything else from leaking due to the amount of spray coming up. (the spray strength is not excessive, but with 15 of the EZ Clone misters working there is a lot of water being sent in the air).

Functioning like a champ in the cooler...except that I went out this morning and checked the water temp in the cloner (4 gal is all it could hold and not have the sprayer ass'y setting too high) and the water temp was 83 F.

Now, the roots are not directly in that water, but it is being sprayed on them. I am wondering if the water cools, sufficiently, while airborne and en-route to the roots?

Biggest concern...how warm can that water get before it's too hot. I see no way to make a separate res. and drain the excess from the cooler back to the res.

(I'll get some pics and post them up, if needed.)

To me it's too hot already...but I await the wisdom of the board for a final determination...





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you want to keep the rez water 70-75..colder inhits root growth, hotter leads to root rot an other baddies..peace az

as long as it is below 90°F it is fine - optimum for cloning is about 75 to 85°F. So no harm done here ISO

the same as with soil based cloning.

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Keep it 70-75..or keep it 75-85 (it is about 85)...and you both know what the hell your talking about......

I'm so confused!

Gonna put it back together and drop in a frozen bottle of water...maybe that will help, cause I'm out of ideas for today. If they live, great, if they die...well, if that happens I'll get seeds.

I worked on this thing for 13 hrs. yesterday, making it...any more effort and I'm going to toss this and go buy a commercial unit.

ISO

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try both..imo 70-75 has best growth an still keeping root rot an other heat realted problems to minium....using the water bottle trick works great..a couple might be needed over the course of the day...peace az

Thanks 2stoned...mucho appreciated, as was Green's input.

"Learning" is a process, that, no matter how old you are you you can still do it...and since I love to learn about growing hopefully you won't have to tell me more than a dozen times before it sinks in...

I've got 2 water bottles in the freezer now, and it should drop that res temp (hopefuly) down into the high 70's. It's no problem at all to change it out a couple times a day, and either my wife or I are almost always home.

ISO

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well lets look at the issue - marijuana grows well from about 50-55 to 85°F, at 85F the grow slows as below 50F. grow stops at either below 45F or above 90F.

Now, if you clone on soil your target is to keep the soil at 80°F for fast root grow - now going by that a water temp around the same should be optimum as well in DWC/hydro grows.

why is your water so warm in the first place ISO? can't recall that you not in the northern hemisphere as well and most of us have still winter due to that no really, do you have a fish tank heating now as well and that isn't temp controlled?

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Hey ISO dont toss it out.Get some pixs up I can see if I can help you out.When my res was getting hot I drop ice bottles in it to cool it,cool down 5 or 6 degree.You got the hard part worked out,I got a trick up the old sleeve.If it is to hot or to cold.Check this place out, marineandreef.com look on there products page for chillers/{coolworks} they cool aquariums.They are cheaper at marine and reef,the company that make them is coolworksinc.com they have all the specks on them.Do check them out.Now if it's to cold in there put a aquarium heater in the res.These are the cheapest chillers and heaters around that's not big bucks.If poeple keep fish living with them they got to work good,some of them fish cost more than a oz. PM or holler back if can any more. PEACE

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ime soil needs warmer temps to activate rooting in clones for the first couple days then cutting the temp back down to the mid 70s at the root zoon...now for hydro aero if im not mistaken the higher temps are unneccary as the plants roots are exposed to open air an water so roots are faster forming as is..but raiging the temp in the root zome to the 80 mark could cause many problems incuding root rot an other bad bactieras's...but like i said try what ever you feel..ijust respond to see what i know for my own knowdldge an experiernece....peace az

Hey all,checked the FQA over grow,if the temps at root level are under 65 you will want a heating mat. 75 to 80 is optimal temps. Peace

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could be that i'm a bit to focused on soil here, but that temps around 80-85F can already damage the root system... i don't know - but hey, i can try that out in my DWC unit as i got a heating and plenty of male clones probably too so why not trying it out

what been your strains that cause trouble as soon you crossed the 80F mark stoned?

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The water bottles are doing the trick so far, and keeping it down about 82-84...purrrrfect (for now).

A larger cooler will replace this one soon, and then I shouldn't have the pump heating up the water so much. ALL this heat comes from that 700 GPH mag-drive pump, so adding another 15 gal of water to the res (currently 4 gal) will make a huge difference, I hope and keep it in the high 70's (I hope!)

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Hopefully, I've figured out what the solution is to these high temps.

The pump that was in there was a Mag Drive 700 GPH...waaayyyy too much pump for this little 5 gal aero-cloner...so, I changed it out this afternoon for a 296 GPH QuietOne 1200. Seems to still spray real well inside (just take the lid off and find out..LOL!!) and should be far cooler than that hot-monster that was in there.

Even with the ice bottles I couldn't keep the other one cool all night...2 ice bottles at midnight last night, and this AM it was 89 F. Don't think I killed 'em (they look OK) but if this don't work it's back to Rapidrooters and a humidity dome..:zombie:

If this works right I'll have some pics up in a couple days. I didn't want to post anything till I had all the bugs worked out of it.

ISO

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I found a diagram for an EZ Cloner last year and built one. Awesome little thing.I did find that i needed at least a 1000 LPH pump to get the correct pressure though.But they do work a treat.

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Talk about mind reading...LOL! I just finished my new version tonight...damn, this thing ROCKS! I placed 26 EZ Clone sprayers on a 1/2" PVC grid in the cooler, fed by the mag-Drive 700 GPH pump in the 18 gal res the cooler rests on.

So far, after 8 hrs. the res temp is a solid 72 F. I can live with that...

Pics and write up tomorrow..if I can get my ass in gear in the morning..

ISO

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