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rezy · #1 (**permalink**) 07-24-2009, 01:01 PM

ok so i have few pics of my clone and mother plant... i wanna know if these are signs of sex or just new nodes but my real concern is the clone the bottom of the stem seems to be rotting i found her bent over this morning so i put a lil twisty tie to support it... n i did stress her a lil yesterday

jangel · #2 (**permalink**) 07-24-2009, 01:05 PM

First off, what is that stuff at the base of the cutting? Looks like hash to me! LOL!

And second, do you have these in a dome? They look like they are not getting enough moisture. Yes, that looks not good at the base of the cutting. Like it is bruised, which is not a good thing. How are you rooting them??

The HSIC · #3 (**permalink**) 07-24-2009, 01:07 PM

It looks like your medium is too wet. WTF is that you're rooting in, anyway? Rockwool cut into small peices??

For future reference, the growth you see is normal.

If it won't stand up it's probably a goner

ww

The HSIC · #4 (**permalink**) 07-24-2009, 01:09 PM

Rooting in bubblehash right out of the bag!

LOL, jangel..i thought the exact same thing!

ww

rezy · #5 (**permalink**) 07-24-2009, 01:12 PM

yeah its just some haggled ass rockwool lol and i have been putting a tupper wear cup thing over them as my dome ... im using rooteck cloning gel and using a diy bubble cloner with some b1 thrive alive green in distilled water... i am having no luck with clones... i think i wanna try the wally cloner... can you give me some details on how to use it though like how high should the water be up the tube and how far down should the stem be in the water/ vermiclite...im thinking about cutting the bruised part off and trimming some leaves/stems off and re tryin.

rezy · #6 (**permalink**) 07-24-2009, 01:14 PM

and jangel.... omg i wish it was hash

The HSIC · #7 (**permalink**) 07-24-2009, 01:14 PM

Sorry rezy...not makin fun of ya....just a bit of joshin'...

next time....use a larger chunk of RW and give the top of the cube a GENTLE squeeze before traying the plug up. This will send the excess moisture down to the bottom or out of the plug. The roots will most likely form near the bottom where the snip is...so EXCESS moisture up on top near the stem in RW or rapids is not needed and promotes rot. WATCH your cubes for drying out....then lightly squeeze/dip just the bottom of the plug when needed to keep em moist (not wet) until they root

make sense?

ww

dankstarr · #8 (**permalink**) 07-24-2009, 01:17 PM

WOW... Most clones do not grow or sex for at least 10 days depends on how fast they root .. and what the yuck are you cloning in .. try a new medium, rapidrooter plugs,coco fiber plugs, rockwool, perlite, even dirt, all can go hydro .. the base of your clone is rotting.... let it dry out a little... just use a spray bottle for a little while.. and alot of TLC

rezy · #9 (**permalink**) 07-24-2009, 01:17 PM

LMFAO i wish i had hash to throw away like that lol...yeah it makes sense... but if i have the rockwool in water then its just gonna soak up all the way to the top... i hate clones right now :( they are not my expertice... YET... and thats gonna make me strive for perfecting clones lol

rezy · #10 (**permalink**) 07-24-2009, 01:19 PM

tlc??? and the pic of the one i thought was showing signs of sex is my "mother" plant just the very top though

The HSIC · #11 (**permalink**) 07-24-2009, 01:24 PM

OK...if I am understanding you correctly I have some suggestions for you.

You don't use ANY medium in bubble cloning. It's a bare root deal...like aeroponics is. Doing so...as you are seeing...will keep things too wet and promotes rot. The bubbles offer oxygen and water...and thus....while the roots are still sitting in water (as they are now) there is alternating H2O and air hitting that stem and lessening the chance of rot.

Rootech is a HOT cloning gel from my experience. I've seen it sear off clones at the top of the cube when too much is left on the stem/etc. not sure why...but I once used Doc's Cg on a tray and Rootech on another tray and the RT clones all fell over on day 3....rotted right off at the top of the rapidrooters.

Either go full-on "bubble cloner" or try the RW again but keep it moist...not wet and don'yt ever let it sit in water.

good luck

ww

jangel · #12 (**permalink**) 07-24-2009, 01:25 PM

Okay, use one method OR the other, not both. It is not a fact that less is more, quite the contrary. This will cause rot around the base of the cutting.

I would get it all set up with a different method then clean that crud off and start again. When you have it all set up, then clean them off and see if any have roots yet. If they are all flopping like that then soak them in just plain water to get them crispie like you do celery, then recut and leave them with a dome over them for a while until they are standing up. Also cut those leaves in half like the pic below so they have less plant to sustain. it will help them root faster.

Not that my method is the best or anything, but take a look in my journal and you will see how I clone. (the bottom link in my signature 2009) If nothing else it will give you an idea how to cut them for whatever method you use. I have tried several and what I show WORKS BEST FOR ME.

and that is what matters, whatever works for you.

Peace

rezy · #13 (**permalink**) 07-24-2009, 01:44 PM

i appreciate yalls help so much guys... everybody here has helped me so much especially you jangle... and to tell yall the truth i didnt know that you werent supposed to use rockwool in the water like that i honestly thought you were supposed to... but now that i do it makes so much sense... i mean its almost like a big DUHH lol

rezy · #14 (**permalink**) 07-24-2009, 01:53 PM

also what about the wally rooter??? what are the specifics on how to use it water depth stem depth

jangel · #15 (**permalink**) 07-24-2009, 01:58 PM

Here is the post, i lifted it from bozo so don't tell him...shhhhhh! LOL!

World class cloner new at walmart - International Cannagraphic Magazine Forums

justanotherbozo · #16 (**permalink**) 07-24-2009, 05:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rezy

yeah its just some haggled ass rockwool lol and i have been putting a tupper wear cup thing over them as my dome ... im using rooteck cloning gel and using a diy bubble cloner with some b1 thrive alive green in distilled water... i am having no luck with clones... i think i wanna try the wally cloner... can you give me some details on how to use it though like how high should the water be up the tube and how far down should the stem be in the water/ vermiclite...im thinking about cutting the bruised part off and trimming some leaves/stems off and re tryin.

high man, here is the link to the original thread and i'd suggest you take the
time to read it all the way through, it'd be time well spent.

World class cloner new at walmart - International Cannagraphic Magazine Forums

in any event, the real secret to success with this cloner, once you understand
the fundamentals from reading that thread, lol, is to keep about an inch of water
in the bottom of the bin and to keep the temps in the low 80's.

justanotherbozo · #17 (**permalink**) 07-24-2009, 05:44 PM

btw, if you're using a bubble cloner you shouldn't need rockwool at all,
here is a link to my bubble cloner thread, maybe just reading this will
help clear up the issues you are having so you can just continue using
your bubble cloner.

bozo's bubble cloner

purplehaze4u · #18 (**permalink**) 07-24-2009, 09:58 PM

well momma would have to be in flowering light 12/12 and i dont clone when they are in that stage i dont like to stress them out in there... i use a diy cloner i got 3 of them about 35 clones a piece in there and very very rarely do i lose one if you check out the pics i have posted you can see how they are made and i can help you along but the have sprayers with a bubler inthem so up to you let me know... and for nutes in my cloneing i just use ph'ed water and some clonex gel and a splash of h2o2 since i am not in a hurry for them to root since i am running out of room ... ohh and i do clone as many big clones as i can

SomeDude · #19 (**permalink**) 07-25-2009, 07:38 AM

i just take a cutting, dip it in some rooting powder and stick it right into some fox farms. usually around 90% success rate average

K.I.S.S.

jangel · #20 (**permalink**) 07-25-2009, 09:48 AM

hydrogen peroxide will prevent roots from forming. I know this.

Peace