I just wanted to start some form of communication amongst members on there views using organic growing methods.

As this economy is going to be with us for quite some time, I find myself looking around my life for ways to cut my expenses, and I found myself reading article after article, suggesting to use urine, (human piss) as a fertilizer during the vegging stage. Okay I'll give you a minute to get past the "gross" factor....

I do have a friend who has regularly used piss as his fertilizer for many years with good results, and although I always made fun of him, it seems he was ahead of his time maybe?

I do hope you got this far into reading, and while I have no strong opinion on this, I wanted to hear from others, have you ever done this?

I am thinking of trying it out on a few plants to see what happens.
From what I read on a study involving cabbage plants, the end result was quite favorable.

Rather than a long winded post, here are a few links, see what you think...
http://planetgreen.discovery.com/hom...rine-good.html

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...100801028.html

Urine can be a fantastic fertilizer. I hesitate to call it organic because depending on who's urine it is it's going to have different things in it, but I guess we could trace any organic product back far enough and find evidence of adulturation somewhere. It's impossible to live in a synthetically poisoned world and produce a completely organic anything. All outdoor growers get dioxins from spent jet fuel falling from the sky onto their plants. That's true of any crop of anything, if it was grown outside it's got dioxin in it at detectable levels.

Anyway, I also have friends who have used it for years with great results. The plants really really like it, just be sure to find a strength that works because the pure stuff will kill them it needs to be diluted with water. I'd find out how much your experienced friend dilutes it and then do that. I used to do this in my outdoor grows, but I haven't used it in any indoor grows, mostly because I don't like the smell of piss and I'm afraid it might make the soil smell.

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From what I can see a 50/50 ratio is a good starting point.
It is very good for the stem and leaves too.
I tried synthetic once, and left them quickly.

I have soooo many objections to synthetics.....
Synthetic fertilizers don't improve soil structure and leach nutrients through the soil before plants can absorb em. The leaching effect caused from overuse of synthetic fertilizers dissolves the natural soil structure and eventually causes the soil to become compacted and literally lifeless. The salt content in synthetic fertilizers are toxic to beneficial soil micro-organisms. Synthetic fertilizers are composed of gases that can inhibit seed germination and burn tender seedlings. Synthetic fertilizers promote accelerated growth disrupting the natural NPK cycle and leave plants vulnerable to various disease and insect pests. Unused nitrogen from synthetic fertilizers can seep into groundwater, contaminating good sources of drinking water.

I've always known human urine is good for the out door farmer to keep away the deer and so on, but not for fertilizer.... interesting, but not sure I would use it,, but thats just me

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Hey Oldman
Good to see a pioneering spirit.
I don`t see any problem using urine as a fertilizer as long as the donor is healthy and on a good diet. A few enterprising souls on overgrow used it for a complete grow just to prove it worked. I experimented with it in an ebb/flow system and the only issue i had was an iron deficiency.
Its a perfectly good nute once you get over the initial yuck factor

yeah the yuck factor is there. but I see nobody having the same "gross" factor using bat guano, after all, that is just a pretty name for crap.

Wow. I piss around the circumference of my outdoors to discourage pests, but....

I agree that it's pretty tough considering it 'organic'. You'd have to be a complete vegan w/ no genetically altered food sources in your system (in which case you would probably have deficiencies). It is also virtually sterile, free of bacteria and viruses.

One of the main goals of using organic fertilizers is to encourage the production and health of beneficial bacteria, which in turn "improves plant resistance to many root diseases, helps make essential soil mineral elements available to the plant & decomposes organic matter improving physical properties of the soil". I don't see urine helping this process. Maybe you'd get enough of most of the elements you need, but it would only be organic in the sense that you weren't using chemicals (besides what is in your urine). JMO

You need bacteria to process the urine (aka the nitrogen cycle) so it does actively encourage biodiversity. In an ebb/flow setup bacteria (nitrosomas and nitrobacter) convert the ammonia into nitrite and then into nitrate, so the process is pretty natural even if the raw materials arent very organic.
Mother nature has a workforce of some description waiting for every kind of waste product or byproduct in any medium.. soil,air or water
Its interesting that hydro nutes use nitrate for the nitrogen component.

it does encourage the production and health of beneficial bacteria.
Also if you add it to your compost bin (not diluted), it'll supercharge it.

Yucca Extract Pure Yucca Schidigera Juice

yucca has once of the highest female plant hormone percentages and will make all flowering plants either flower larger or flower in more spots. 1oz to a gallon or 10ml to a liter. please note THIS STUFF IS HIGHLY ACIDIC so you will need to counter it with some ph up or something along those lines. I have never used this to grow MJ but i have used it for strawberries in germany and the result was a record setting year (was in a combination with other things as well) and the local college uses it on my advice for their rose garden and we will just say that sterling roses never grew so fast.


Also for those of you using cow poop, get it from a dairy not a feed yard. Lactating cows will provide the best cow manure and its also lower in salt content than other types of manure 5-10% vs a feedyards manure which sits at 10-20% and also dont get it from a place that looks like they havent cleaned out the dairy in a long while because as manure builds up flys and other critters like to get in ther and well bad joo joo. to prepair any manure make sure you compost it for a good 3 months in any season but winter and let the internal temps hit 160F if it gets hotter it will catch fire but if you let it sit and airate the pile (or used a 50gal drum) and keep it mosit not wet you will find you self with little to no smell and it will better for your plants.



TTFN

Zeek

Funny, one of my favorite movies is " World's Fastest Indian " with Anthony Hopkins playing Burt Munro... a true character from New Zealand. His life's love of his Indian Motorcycle is the stuff of legend!

One of his unique quirks was urinating on his Lemon Tree roots. He did it in real life and it was shown in the movie adaptation.

Burt knew a whole lot of things about a whole lot of things...



Pete

NEW UPDATE ON YUCCA EXTRACT in conjunction with MJ

DONT USE IT

it has a side effect that was unknown till just today with all great plants when you use certain things you get unexpected side effects which well i sure as hell wasnt expecting. Yucca contains a male hormone also that normally doesnt effect flowering plants but MJ will absorb it and go hermy like lady ga ga. after 3 weeks of doing an expierement with it on mj in a sepparate grow we had 5 controll clones and 5 test clones all in the same grow space etc all had some everythign except one set of 5 had the yucca added well they all went hermy the others did not. Funny thing was it worked like a dream the plants that had the yucca added bushed out and shot up easily doubbling the growth of the others but sadly it forces MJ to hermy out.

Ah and this is why we do expierments. Also found out from a colleague that it can be used to convert slowly over time a female clone to a male plant with little stress as long as its stretched out over the period of a year though in hind sight i should have asked him as he grows him self. The other sad kicker for me is it works so well with other flowering plants that i thought hey why the hell shouldnt it work well gotta love natures little curve *****.

Till laters

Zeek

sorry to lead the faithful astray