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PacificaGal · #1 (**permalink**) 07-13-2009, 02:09 PM

Calling all experts. I've got a deviant in the garden!

This girl (or is it a he, or he/she) is sporting some mutant leaves and I'm not sure what's going on.
It's ONLY with the newer growth. The older leaves are normal looking, 7 leaflets evenly joined at the petioles.
At each terminal end of the branches I'm getting mostly leaves with three leaflets and then single leaflets. One fused double in there but it's the only one.
Some background info. Clones started first week of May (I'm heading into week 10), put in the ground mid June, morning and evening shade otherwise full day sun, plant height is +/- 18" tall. They get watered when almost dry, but still moderately damp. Being fed FF Grow Big. The strain is some kind of pineapple (don't know if it's just Pineapple or if it's Pineapple Express, Punch, OG, Kush etc). I was told it's 'Pineapple', as in the original, and parent to the above. But I can't find any strain info it.

Photo showing three leaflets (see how it's oddly fused at the petiole?)

Here's the double leaflet - note the singles at the terminal end.

Here are the singles. Each of the leaflets has only one blade from the petiole

And another shot

Here's what's going on where the petiole meets the main stem

I'm guessing it's beginning to flower? But why the mutant leaves?

Here's a top view

Anyone have any ideas, opinions or suggestions? Is this the right place to post this or should I post elsewhere?

Thanks for your help!
PG

jangel · #2 (**permalink**) 07-13-2009, 02:18 PM

I have one like that as well. It is one of my mothers and I beleive I left water in the drain pan and it has root issues. I would just weather it out and see how the newer leaves come out. it looks to me like it had an issue. Newer leaves will be different. I would also suspect it is short something...

I will be watching this for the answers as well.

peace

PacificaGal · #3 (**permalink**) 07-13-2009, 02:23 PM

I'm just about done brewing up a batch of comfrey tea (a dynamic accumulator) to help with any nute issues (any one think that I should not give it the tea?). I've also given it molasses a few times when watering. This is the only one doing this weirdness. All of my other gals are behaving.

deep[H2O]culture · #4 (**permalink**) 07-13-2009, 02:24 PM

not an issue at all. It happens depending on what stage of pre-flowering/flowering/veg the donor mother plant was in at the time of cuttings.

Notice how the buds grow like buds and the leaves grow like leaves? Well if you cut the clones at a certain time, when its switching over to flowering, the leaves will start out growing like a bud would grow, but grows into a veg leaf instead. The plants just a little confused at the time of cut, its all good

Mr.Moonbiscuit · #5 (**permalink**) 07-13-2009, 02:25 PM

i wouldnt exactly call that a mutant but i agree with jangel ride it out lol

PacificaGal · #6 (**permalink**) 07-13-2009, 02:39 PM

Thanks all, so can I hope for more vegetative growth on her between now and harvest?
Or is she done growing and will only continue to develop her flowers.

My other gals (different strain) are shooting up about an inch a day it seems - chugging along with lots of veg growth but nothing like this. My other pineapples aren't doing this either. They are showing the pre-flower parts but not like this one. One is starting the duck foot leaf thing.

p.s. I'm a complete MMJ neophyte grower - first garden. But have plenty of garden experience otherwise.

Thanks again for the help.

Mr.Moonbiscuit · #7 (**permalink**) 07-13-2009, 02:41 PM

they constantly grow until they die, granted how much depends alot on feeding sunlight and genetics.

PacificaGal · #8 (**permalink**) 07-13-2009, 02:58 PM

Thanks Moon.

Here's another question I have. I've been giving my gals FF Grow Big, and our season extends to October in NorCal. At what point do I switch over to Bloom fertilizer?

Thanks again all!

Shinningwind · #9 (**permalink**) 07-13-2009, 03:03 PM

I am thinking along the same lines as Deep[H2O].

At some point in the plants life it must have gone to flower mode. Now revegging, I have seen that with alot of my own clone's. Which I had taken in the first couple of weeks of flower. They exhibit that type of leaf growth, but they do grow out of it and start putting out regular leaf sets. Mine did....

Shinningwind · #10 (**permalink**) 07-13-2009, 03:08 PM

Giving plants Veg nute's 2 weeks even 3 into flower mode is okay. That is when they have there biggest growth spurt .

PacificaGal · #11 (**permalink**) 07-13-2009, 03:22 PM

Sorry to sound like a ding-dong, but what do I look for in terms of plant development to let me know it's time to switch to bloom fertilizer?
Am I watching for the bud formation to begin, and then switch?
Thanks for all the expert help!

chuckd420 · #12 (**permalink**) 07-13-2009, 03:48 PM

Do you know the parents of this strain? There is a strain of mj called Ducksfoot from Wallyduck seeds, that has webbed leaves shaped like a ducks foot.

deep[H2O]culture · #13 (**permalink**) 07-13-2009, 03:53 PM

there is still plenty more vegative growth left in the season. I just put 5 more clones outside yesterday that were just rooted. Worm castings go great with fox farm.

deep[H2O]culture · #14 (**permalink**) 07-13-2009, 04:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PacificaGal

Sorry to sound like a ding-dong, but what do I look for in terms of plant development to let me know it's time to switch to bloom fertilizer?
Am I watching for the bud formation to begin, and then switch?
Thanks for all the expert help!

when we go on a 12/12 light period outside. They will let you know =)

it's not like they will die if otherwise. The biggest difference in feeding vegative, or flowering is buds dont like nitrogen and vegative growth does.

Its not gonna kill you to eat pancakes for dinner, ya know?

jangel · #15 (**permalink**) 07-13-2009, 04:12 PM

Yes, it has been so wet and cold here I have nothing in the ground yet. I do have them outside, in a sheltered area to harden off but not in the ground yet. let us hope we get some good weather soon! And I still have clones to take out too.

One thing I do know is this as far as planting outside:

Any clone is the same age as the parent. Taking this as gospel means that clones you take from plants that are germed and started in March are also that age. They will be at the same age in maturity as the mother plant. So if you cloned those seedlings you started in March, and say cloned them in May, and let them veg for a bit, then plant them outside, they will still be the same age as far as sexual maturity, even if smaller than the parent plant. So they will flower and do exactly what the older plants do at the same time. and quite often they will indeed catch up.

I also found last year the weather was similiar here. The plants I planted out early, May and june, did not do as well as the ones i planted after the summer solstice. So that is what I do, plant after the summer solstice but before 12/12. This way the plants will veg well, and then set bud and flower for you and I had them flowering right to the end of oct. I cut the main done buds, with the half amber and half cloudy trichs, left the plants in the ground and came back and they had made MORE buds. It is a win win situation.

Peace

justplainbill · #16 (**permalink**) 07-13-2009, 04:21 PM

That is what that is and it happens when you clone a budding stem. I have it happening right now too. Do not sweat it. Check the pics

PacificaGal · #17 (**permalink**) 07-13-2009, 05:08 PM

You guys/gals are the best!

Thanks for the expert info! I'll settle down now and go eat some waffles (not exactly pancakes but close enough for me!) - I really was just getting ready to cook some waffles for lunch!

Really appreciate your help.

Chuck, the strain is called 'Pineapple'

h2o, thanks so much for the info. I wondered if there was still time to plant more clones. A pack of raccoon and rabbits held a rave in our garden and I'm 4 plants short now. One was over 2' tall and a real beauty too. I think the raccoons were after the molasses in the soil because they didn't eat the plant, just excavated the heck out of the hole. So I was hoping to get them replaced. Our dispensary had some nice plants too, but $$ is tight and 3 of the four that got dug up had just cost me $15 each! I did take 4 cuttings off of my other plants and two cuttings survived so I'll get them in the ground soon.

Thanks J-Angel! I'll make note of the planting time for next year. This year is all trial & error. But I'm learning!

JPBill Thanks for the photos. I'm not going to worry too much now. Good to know what exactly is going on with her.

I'll keep crooning to my gals, I praise and thank them for growing so well each day!

Blessings & Light to all!

purplehaze4u · #18 (**permalink**) 07-24-2009, 10:25 PM

so anyway pacifica gal how did you take such nice pics anyway and how are the duck feet doing

SLOWRIDER · #19 (**permalink**) 07-24-2009, 10:54 PM

I just cropped a plant that had duck feet and it was a very good bud maker. Why it did it I do not know. But it turned out great.

PacificaGal · #20 (**permalink**) 07-24-2009, 11:28 PM

Hi PH, I use that little symbol on my camera that looks like a tulip for macro shots and zoom in. Using the flash helps too.

Well the duck footer is still a mutant but is now a morphing mutant. Today I noticed that the fusing on the duck feet at the petiole has given way to a more normal looking leaf, but only 3 leaflets, not 5 or 7. Then there are these single leaves that are coming out of the axials that looks like snail shells. As if one half of the leaflet is growing and the other isn't causing it to curve.
I though that it was becoming male and really looked at it close but honestly I just don't know what it's doing.

I'll try to get a few more photos posted. It really is just the strangest looking thing. Of the plants I'm growing of is this strain, this one is showing the most mutation. Others have the duck feet, but only a few.