Two of my Ladies not looking so great - GreenPassion.org - Dedicated to Medicinal Cannabis Cultivation and Education

cdisco · #1 (**permalink**) 08-16-2009, 08:45 PM

1. Soil or Hydro ???

Soil
type of Water used ~THIS IS IMPORTANT!
well water, good ppm levels, dont have levels

Soil grows

Black Gold cocoa blend mix

2.Temps & Humidity- it has been between 88 and 100 the past few months, but all the ladies have loved it

3. Lights ~ SUN

4. Ventilation System {fresh air}{CO2}

5. Nutrients used ~ i make my own flowering tea, also give them all epsom and hydrogen peroxide mix

6. Outdoor Grow

7. Pixs ~ if you can post they always help us see what it is,

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8. the problem plants are purple erkle, i believe they were from clones? about 5ft tall now. but as you can see in the pic the plant on the left is loving the weather (same strain, got from same friend) but the one on the right just doesnt look so good, any help?

9. How old the plant is. 3 months

10. Seed or Clone? Sexed? Feminized?female- first few weeks of flowering

jangel · #2 (**permalink**) 08-16-2009, 09:01 PM

You my friend are the first to use our new template~! Thank you for helping us help you!

Are these in the ground or in pots? If in the ground, how big was the hole and what did you add to the soil?

I have had something similiar where last year one of mine did not do well. When the season was over I dug it up and found I had not dug deep enough and there was a root under the plant stealing all the nutrience and moisture from my plant.

If it is in a pot it could be pot bound or else root bound. Looks like if it does have enough moisture, then there is indeed something happening with the roots. I had a simliar problem with my big mums, and even lost one. And I even know better! I had a drain pan under the pots and it was keeping water in it, keeping the roots over wet, and I got root rot from it. I have since moved them outside, with no drain pan and have been using SM-90 on them, which has helped. It could help yours as well. This is pretty easy to find at most hydro stores and is coriander oil for the main ingredient, and organic.

Hope this helped, as that is all I got....hopefully others will chime in as well.

Thanks for using the template! This makes it so much easier to help you!

Good luck.

cdisco · #3 (**permalink**) 08-16-2009, 09:51 PM

they are in 10 gallon pots. do you think they may be root bound?

ileso · #4 (**permalink**) 08-16-2009, 11:44 PM

hey there.. im not sure, ... can you get a close up of the plant around that yellowing?
ive never seen yellowing plants like that...

have you checked if there are any beasties hanging around the roots? like gnats or anything like that?

cdisco · #5 (**permalink**) 08-17-2009, 12:01 AM

It doesnt seem to be pot bound, but the roots did look slightly brownish- possibly root rot, also, i just sprayed neem there were some mites on both of those plants in the picture. im putting two pics on here that are a closer look at that yellow area ileso.

After the neem spray they seemed to be a little happier, although it had cooled off a bit and the sun was down

ileso · #6 (**permalink**) 08-17-2009, 12:29 AM

it could be the heat. how often do you water and what time of day. and do you spray the plant with water?
oh and you said two of my ladies.. you have more and are they ok? if so try to see if theres any difference between these two and the others.. more heat, soil drynes, number of waterings.. you know .. clues

i might be wrong but i think they dry out too much between waterings. in your first pic in the original thread your plant on the right looks droopy. like cannabis does when it does for too long between waterings. it could be the soil isnt holding the water you give it. i trust theres no posibility of actually putting it the ground? if there is why dont you just dig two holes and plant them babies? pots dry out alot faster than the ground ever will.

this is all just my idea from what you´ve said and from the photographs...
meaning that i could be wrong.. but you have to also start reading the signs the plant gives you as almost a language. the more you grow the more you can learn. but i think that if possible then you plant the ladies in soil. its alot easier. it gets tricky with pots i've found.

cdisco · #7 (**permalink**) 08-17-2009, 01:13 AM

ok, well there are 26 ladies out here, all of em have been doing great in the temperature, the first pic i posted had one on the left doing great and one on right not doing so well. there are only 2 not doing well. I have them on automatic watering twice a day at 11am and 9pm for 5 minutes, all of the plants are getting the same amount of everything including water and heat

jangel · #8 (**permalink**) 08-17-2009, 08:23 AM

Check the nozzle on the one that is doing the worst. Also, make sure the water is soaking right through the pot. It could also be they are getting TOO wet and staying wet too long with no dry out time between waterings. I have big pots as well, one about that size and it takes it days to dry out, before I rewater it. I think what you are seeing is due to improper watering. I do not think watering them twice a day, is good for them. Too much. How long is the water on for? When you water, it should be a deep watering, with water freely coming out the bottom. Not just a shallow one. If those plants are in 15 gallon pots they should take at least a couple days to dry out. And brown roots are not good. You need to get something for at least that. The one does look dry, so maybe it is not getting to the heart of the soil with the water.

Shinningwind · #9 (**permalink**) 08-17-2009, 10:16 AM

What do you make your flowering tea out of....?

Do you still give them hydrogen peroxide...? ( That will kill any beneficial bacteria that you may have going on in the soil.)

cdisco · #10 (**permalink**) 08-17-2009, 03:36 PM

jangel- each watering they get is a 5 minute deep watering, each pot is draining out of the bottom. they have all been on this cycle for about a month now and this is really the 1st time ive had any problems, I could just take those two off watering cycle and hand water them for a week, maybe every couple days to see how that helps, and also give them something for the brown roots.
SHinningwind- my flowering tea is a mix between my 4-26-26 flower & bloom, my super bloom which is 12-55-6 and some kelp food as well as a catalyst, just ran out though, was using liquid karma. Yes i also just fed (yesterday) with hydrogen peroxide and epsom salt, hoping that will help a little, i have been doing that for a few weeks now

jangel · #11 (**permalink**) 08-17-2009, 03:45 PM

Do you have one of those cheap watering meters? They are pretty cheap from Home depot, everywhere has them, to measure if there is water still in the soil? They are about 6 bucks maybe.

Get one of those and also some SM-90 and add just that to the water and only water when the meter says they need it. Posssibly get some Fulvic acid as well, as Kareem was saying it helped with any type of fungal damage or moulds. I think what you have is root rot. I cannot see them drying out so quickly. Are these two plants more shaded than the rest? is there anything different about these two plants over the rest of them?

Hope it helps buddy.

cdisco · #12 (**permalink**) 08-17-2009, 04:57 PM

thanks for the help jangle. actually these two ladies are getting the same as the two next to em with light nutes and everything, but after giving them a nice epsom salt and hydrogen p. mix they seems to be perking up today, I am going to grab some sm-90 today at the store and get a watering meter as well to check on em! thanks a lot everyone!

cdisco · #13 (**permalink**) 08-18-2009, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by jangel

Do you have one of those cheap watering meters? They are pretty cheap from Home depot, everywhere has them, to measure if there is water still in the soil? They are about 6 bucks maybe.

Get one of those and also some SM-90 and add just that to the water and only water when the meter says they need it. Posssibly get some Fulvic acid as well, as Kareem was saying it helped with any type of fungal damage or moulds. I think what you have is root rot. I cannot see them drying out so quickly. Are these two plants more shaded than the rest? is there anything different about these two plants over the rest of them?

Hope it helps buddy.

okay, so i got a handy dandy watering meter and they are all staying around 4-6 (moist) and rarely are heavily "wet"- i changed the water cycle and i am trying to wait until getting dry to water them- they seem to be doing a lot better (i took all of my other ones off the twice a day watering sched. also)

my biggest questions now are should i wait until it says "dry" to water or at the bottom of "moist" and also, i made my fertilizer flowering tea last night, and started aerating it, it usually gets really foamy after letting it bubble over night in the rez, but it seemed really foamy at first, and then this morning was not foamy at all, does this change the effects or potency of anything in the mix at all?

jangel · #14 (**permalink**) 08-18-2009, 06:49 PM

With the size of pots you have, I would wait to get it to the bottom of the moist side. Not quite totally dry. Dry might just fry them or you will miss it entirely and they will wilt. I am sure they will do better now. Keep me posted!

Not sure about the tea. Maybe what you used has gone off. sorry. no idea.