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Old 09-17-2009, 09:40 AM
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Nah, didn't do bad, just wanted to show a couple pics of two of the girls outside. In about 30 years ago, while tending some outdoor, backed the truck over a girl, cracked her main stem and left her down on the weeds.'

Oh well, went on home and forgot about her. For the next three weeks, mother nature took care of watering chores, but on the fourth week, it got a little on the dry side so I toted up some water to the girls.

I came up on the run over plant and found her not dead but thriving with all the lower branches turning into great potential bud sites. At harvest, the run over girl was the best producer, putting over a pound into the jar. Remember this was in the late 70's...We couldn't get over it and since then have taken a few select producers in the right location and do a SOG.

This year I set two clones side by side. At the 7th week I took a bow saw and cut the trunk about half way through and flopped the girl over on pine boughs.

The pics below show them side by side, the taller plant is about 8 feet tall and the flopped version is 7 1/2feet on the side. The standing plant has perfect symetry with all sets at 90 degrees but what a difference in yield!
I have a couple weeks plus until they are pulled .

After reading a few thread on gentle manipulation, I though I would throw this up there for comments. I believe that inducing trauma to the plant at various times during growth spurs glandular secretions and enhances yield.


Photos below! I have included a pic of another flopper, I have shown close ups of the cut to the trunk...comments?

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Interesting my friend... Can't argue with the results... I'd be concerned with the open wound to be the stalk but, you're almost home. Congrats...
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Hi There &

I have a few growing on the horizontal. Yes it is supposed to increase yield. I didn't cut my stalks though.. One blew over from some heavy wind and I just left it like that. The other 2 I weighted down.

Your plants look great... What flavour are they...?
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I agree in some sence .. I had clone or plants that have had rough lifes for one reason or another.. and my answer is the same... put it out side and it will grow out to be awsome.. never cut the trunks before .. but i have snaped a few and had much the same results .... I pulled off a broken end to a branch last year and tossed it on the ground.. when I went back to that spot in a few weeks that little branch had rooted its self and was growing...needless to say I still grow that strain ( Mendo purple)
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That is so majorly KEWL! I have a thread on LST'ing, (link in my signature) and many members have also contributed their input on supercropping and other methods of manipulating the plant. I would be very pleased if you would allow me to copy this post in that thread. It is a far cry from LOW stress training, but could help many growers....would you be so kind as to let me do that?

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Wow they sure look good,, Your going to have a great harvest...Good luck to you
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The one that's on its side looks better than the other one. Almost like you have two different strains growin' right there. I can't wait to see the difference after a few weeks in flower.
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I hope the frosts don't come too soon so the full cycle will be attained. The
strain is Afgani and ??? We have some interesting variations from some soil tests, one has gone totally purple and silver.

Both of the ones with the white highlights were from the same mother and were planted from veg the same day. There was some early interference with the two of them at around 3 to 4 feet. That's when the cut was made with both tops growing an additional 3 plus feet away from the stem, one vertical and the other horizontal.

There was no application of any ointments or solutions to the cut and no loss of panels or veg growth. The plants today look even better with the arkanes kicking into overdrive she is smelling awful pretty.

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Wow they sure look good,, Your going to have a great harvest...Good luck to you
Hi Deb!

I am the guy who was running from the freakin helicopters, was gonna give me a heart attack running, you had said the thrill was still there... anyhow, I had it fixed ( heart catherization couple weeks ago ) but still have the planes buzzing, a previous day this week nerve wracking to the max. I have a couple sick girls that were attacked by beetles and slugs. I dug them out and they are now a bucket grow with lots of TLC but tooooo dang close to home with the 5-0 buzzin.

Good hearing from you again, I was lost in the server change and all my posts deleted, starting over... the story of my life@!!!!

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Couple more pics, one is my hand at shoulder level toward the tall clone, I am 6 feet tall. The other is swinging a baseball bat, stonidea was to make it look like I was knocking it down with the bat, wrong direction of swing, not near the plant, stupid is as stoopid stoned does with early skunk in the bowl.... any how, the swing should give you a visual as to the branch height, straight swing from the shoulder....
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XBRPete you are one hell of a gardener. Could you come round my house and sort out my weeds.
I have entered a new world of Anarcist Gardening. You have my attention.LOL


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3. a person who promotes disorder or excites revolt against any established rule, law, or custom.

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LOL! Anarchist gardening... love it!

By the way, Stevie is just a location, then there is Matilda and ....

Name is Pete son of Pete, could call me Pe-Pete but nope, not a Stevie to be found!

Peace and did you spank your plant today...j.k.

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I have never Spanked my babies, we have laws to prevent that sort of thing. LOL
I just shout at them in :
Mexican on Moday
Turkish on Tuesday
Welsh on Wednesday
Thai on Thursday
French on Friday
Spanish on Saturday
I do not shout on Sunday as I consider it a day of rest
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I have never Spanked my babies, we have laws to prevent that sort of thing. LOL
I just shout at them in :
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I do not shout on Sunday as I consider it a day of rest
....you could pray at them or sing hymns to them!

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thats a bit broad of a definition ... do I do that?

a better definition would be:

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Anarchism is a political philosophy encompassing theories and attitudes which consider the state, as compulsory government, to be unnecessary, harmful, and/or undesirable, and favors the absence of the state (anarchy).

According to The Oxford Companion to Philosophy, "there is no single defining position that all anarchists hold, and those considered anarchists at best share a certain family resemblance."

"the tradition is mainly one of individual thinkers, but they have produced an important body of theory."

Individualist anarchism comprises several traditions[50] which hold that "individual conscience and the pursuit of self-interest should not be constrained by any collective body or public authority."
in fact anarchy IS about law, order and social customs. if a broader definition is to be used it should be along the lines that anarchists are individuals or collective groups of individuals that are against any form of totalitarianism, be it communist, fascist or our current situation. any form of control of peoples lives. (teen agers are in many ways anarchists!)

sorry i hijacked your thread like this, but just couldnt let such an obviously negative branding of the term anarchist pas like that. its a wonder that the powers that be even get their fingers dirty in dictionary's

sorry about that.. back to your outdoor grow.
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the term anarchist has been misused by the media & governments for so long it conjures up images of chaos, disorder & violence for many people.

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It was A Joke.... Keep the politics out of here.
When I saw Pete's grow it looked pretty brutal what he had done, however the result are amazing.
You sound like a nice man, sorry to have offended your sensitive nature. In future I will not use words that incite critique.
I think my definition is suitable for Gardening NOT Politics.
Pete had a laugh about it, why carn't you.....LOL

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It was A Joke.... Keep the politics out of here.
When I saw Pete's grow it looked pretty brutal what he had done, however the result are amazing.
You sound like a nice man, sorry to have offended your sensitive nature. In future I will not use words that incite critique.
I think my definition is suitable for Gardening NOT Politics.
Pete had a laugh about it, why carn't you.....LOL
Fair enough...it was actually funny in the context of the gardening, my comment was against the media use/abuse of the word and should probably of kept that thought to myself, sorry...

As for the plants they're looking great, amazing results. I'm gonna have to try something similar but still on my first grow and haven't had the courage to start breaking branches....yet...
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Might I join the discussion?

I see the point of contention, the words " Anarchist Gardening " sound cool but the word is not quite right for the description of methodology according to a couple posts.

Perhaps "rebel" or "iconoclast gardening" might be a more appropriate description if one were to not just coin a phrase but create a description with the dictionary in mind.

Does the phrase " My bad " bother anyone else?

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Might I join the discussion?

I see the point of contention, the words " Anarchist Gardening " sound cool but the word is not quite right for the description of methodology according to a couple posts.

Perhaps "rebel" or "iconoclast gardening" might be a more appropriate description if one were to not just coin a phrase but create a description with the dictionary in mind.

Does the phrase " My bad " bother anyone else?

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I will go along with that Pete...
Anarchist Gardening Rebel,
Anarchist Iconoclast Gardening....

Nah... What you did was unforgiveable.
I will be reporting your actions to the Canna Association for the Protection of Plants and the Royal Botanic Garden society. LOL

NB: For anyone reading this half way through....... ITS A JOKE
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