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Old 05-19-2008, 09:53 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Hey everyone!

Finally, the day is here that I am going to place my order with Nirvana. My grow cab is put together, and other than a few odds and ends I can pick up at the local stores in an afternoon, the only thing I am missing are seeds!

You all have helped me out tremendously with your DIY ideas, your tips and encouragement so I'm hoping for your input!

My current set up is as follows:
1 Veg cab - 12" deep, 36" wide, 36" height
1 Flower cab - same dimensions as the veg cab

I know compared to others, it's a bit small, but I'm am apartment dweller with very limited space.

My growing plans:

I hope to do the SOG method and understand this will also keep plants smaller which is what I want. Do I have the room for this method on a small scale?

And, my initial plan was to do the flood method for watering, but now I'm wondering if it would be better to do some sort of bubble hydro system rather than a straight flood and drain. Based on my dimensions, which method would you recommend to get the most out of my available space but not hurt the results?

My Plants:

This is where I need the most help... Over at Nirvana, they have many different strains.

Some of the seeds that would appear to be appropriate for me are ones that are Indica strains because they are a small and more compact plant, yes?

Over at Nirvana, with each strain, they include a description. Here is an example of what is noted for the Papaya strain:

  • Plant type: Best suitable for indoor growing.
  • Plant height: Short- Mostly Indica
  • Stoned or high?: Stoned- Indica Body Buzz
  • THC level: Strong 15-20%
  • Flowering Weeks: 7/9
  • Yield (Sea of Green on one m2) : 350-450
  • Harvest Month: 9/10
  • Grow difficulty: Moderate
The bulletpoints I bolded in red are some things I have questions on before selecting my seeds.

Plant Height - Indica seems to be shorter strain. That said, Nirvana has seeds categories of short, medium and tall. Would I be ok going for a strain designated as medium per my available space, or would it be better to stay with only seeds designated as short? What would I expect as far as height with a plant described as medium? The reason I ask is if I'm able to pick from the small and the medium, it gives me more options.

Yield (See of Green on one m2) : 350-450 - Can someone explain what this equation means?

Harvest Month 9/10 - Does this mean it takes 9 to 10 months of total growing time before you'll ever get any benefits? Can you flower earlier or do you generally stick to the recommended harvest time line?

Growing Difficulty - This one is designated Moderate. While I'm not a huge gardner, I don't have trouble keeping plants alive. Do you think if I did things by the book and checked in here often with a journal, I'd be ok going for something designated with medium difficulty?

Lastly, as a first time Nirvana purchaser, initially I thought I would order two strains to start with, but with my available space, and my novice skills, I'm going to start with one strain and one order to test the waters and see how it goes.

As a first timer, I'm not sure if I should go with feminized seeds, or get a regular seed. At first I thought feminized would be the way to go, but you actually get more seeds for your money, and once I get more experienced, wouldn't it be to my advantage to have a male plant to perhaps at some point flower out with the "old" mom once I have a "younger mom" established via cloning? If I have a mom that produces good quality, and I introduce a male from the same strain, wouldn't the mom at some point produce some seeds that would have some females in it, and of the same strain since mom and dad are from the same line so to speak?

I'm nervous and excited at the same time! Can you help me out with my questions and/or make some suggestions on your favorite strains from Nirvana that might be a good fit for my space?

Thanks in advance!
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Old 05-20-2008, 07:40 AM   #2 (permalink)
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have you order these seeds already? if so never mind but if not yet i would suggest a other strain that is easier to grow and pure indica - pure old Afghan. it is easy to grow, stays small and and hits hard, only downside it it smell as it can stink almost as much as some skunk strains.

Papaya is a nice choice as well but it isn't as easy to grow as Afghan is.

On SOG, that is about the best method to use the little space you got there as you very limited in head space as in floor space.

the month 9/10 stands for the month you can expect to harvest outdoors - Sept. - Oct.

and on seeds, if you ask me go always with regular seeds.
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let me try and answer some of your questions

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Plant Height - Indica seems to be shorter strain. That said, Nirvana has seeds categories of short, medium and tall. Would I be ok going for a strain designated as medium per my available space, or would it be better to stay with only seeds designated as short? What would I expect as far as height with a plant described as medium? The reason I ask is if I'm able to pick from the small and the medium, it gives me more options.

first, remember that Indica's are shorter than Sativa's genetically, you wouldn't want to try a pure Sativa in such a limithed space, even in a SOG (keep in mind though that if you start to flower your clones as soon as they are rooted they will be shorter at finish.


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Yield (See of Green on one m2) : 350-450 - Can someone explain what this equation means?

this one's easy hon, what that means is, in a sea of green, you will reap somewhere between 350 and 450 grams of dried bud per square meter of space in your SOG.

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Harvest Month 9/10 - Does this mean it takes 9 to 10 months of total growing time before you'll ever get any benefits? Can you flower earlier or do you generally stick to the recommended harvest time line?
LOL, your funny girl, no, it means, if you grow this strain outside, it will be ready to harvest in Sept or Oct (the 9th or 10th month of the year, that's about 60 day's after the days start to get short enouth to induce flowering)



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Growing Difficulty - This one is designated Moderate. While I'm not a huge gardner, I don't have trouble keeping plants alive. Do you think if I did things by the book and checked in here often with a journal, I'd be ok going for something designated with medium difficulty?

i think you'd be fine unless you have a complete brown thumb and ignore all advice.


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Lastly, as a first time Nirvana purchaser, initially I thought I would order two strains to start with, but with my available space, and my novice skills, I'm going to start with one strain and one order to test the waters and see how it goes.

i'm getting ready to order from Nirvana myself for the first time and i really look forward to getting my hands on some REAL genetics, that being said, i would suggest you do a grow or two using bagseeds, they're free and easy to find, and, if they die, well, no big whoop. you learned somethin'


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As a first timer, I'm not sure if I should go with feminized seeds, or get a regular seed. At first I thought feminized would be the way to go, but you actually get more seeds for your money, and once I get more experienced, wouldn't it be to my advantage to have a male plant to perhaps at some point flower out with the "old" mom once I have a "younger mom" established via cloning? If I have a mom that produces good quality, and I introduce a male from the same strain, wouldn't the mom at some point produce some seeds that would have some females in it, and of the same strain since mom and dad are from the same line so to speak?

you're gettin' ahead of yourself Bay, just relax, first you have to learn how to grow it, there'll be plenty of time down the road to learn how to breed it. lol


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I'm nervous and excited at the same time! Can you help me out with my questions and/or make some suggestions on your favorite strains from Nirvana that might be a good fit for my space?


Thanks in advance!


LOL, i know, i know, me too. i'm wrestling with those same issues, and whatever I buy has to be strong too, i'm considering the Papaya actually.


anyway, whatever you decide, i wish you much luck and success.

oh, and btw, if you could post some pics of your setup, that would be nice, i'd love to get a look at your cabs as i plan on building a couple myself.

i'm in the closet right now, come take a look
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Justanotherbozo and green_nobody have it right on. I would stay away from feminized seeds until you have some experiance under your belt. Sometimes these can hermie and confuse the hell out of you. As well I have read they can be difficult for some newbs to germinate. Don't take my word for gospel though as I am still learning myself. As well, it is good to learn how to tell the sexes apart. And depending on where you live or who you know it could be to your advantage to have a male. Planted outside once it shows sex or somewhere else in your home. The pollen can be saved and stored for when you want it and you can just fertilize one bud for more seeds. Start with half your order to start. This will test your system and if they all kack on ya you still have more to grow. Which ever way they grow, 5 plants in that size cabinet seems good to me. Maybe too high. Post a pm to tokecrazy, he is a whiz with cab grows. Check out his logs and grow journals for a good insight into growing in cabs. You do not want to crowd them, and you most likely will get males. So that will cut the numbers down as well.

NEXT AND MOST IMPORTANT: POST PICTURES OF YOUR SYSTEM!!! There are some great growers here and many use cabinets. Use this knowledge base BEFORE you put your plants in there and let us point out things you might not think of that will turn into problems. Also simple points that will lead to your success that you might not be aware of. We are all here to learn and help each other. So do us a favor and let us help you.

And this too is important, HAVE FUN WITH IT! It is great having you here and I must say you have already added to GP's community. Welcome.
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Not much to add. You seem to have thought out your plan quite well. I agree that you should use bagseed for your first grow. Nothing to lose, but time. I have gotten extremely lucky with bagseed. As a matter of fact, I have yet to order seeds from a commercial seed bank.
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Not much to add. You seem to have thought out your plan quite well. I agree that you should use bagseed for your first grow. Nothing to lose, but time. I have gotten extremely lucky with bagseed. As a matter of fact, I have yet to order seeds from a commercial seed bank.
Good luck with your grow.

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Only problem with that Pappy, is if like me all your bag weed is sensi you do not get seeds. I have not seen a seed in years in our bag weed. To start I HAD to order seeds or buy clones of indeterminate type. If you have bagseed great, but if like me you do not, you have no choice but to buy seeds.
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I am loath to disagree with anything Jangel says (she is fast becoming the heart and soul of GP and derserves the nomination for High Priestess or something like that)....but I do think from my own experience that fem seeds have some advantages for the new small grower and should be strongly considered
  • quality fem seeds are reliable and I have never had them hermie on me
  • again quality fem seeds open just as reliably as regular seeds
  • with regular seeds chances are 50/50 male female...but an individual grow may be 6 males to 2 females and that would be a lot of work and time and space for such a paltry yeild....nothing is as reinforcing as success for most folks and a first grow is hard enough already
Finally Dutch passions fem mazar can be grown very small (mine are just about 2 feet with a week to go) and have a great rep. Just ask Vid....

[quote=jangel;46092]I would stay away from feminized seeds until you have some experiance under your belt. Sometimes these can hermie and confuse the hell out of you. As well I have read they can be difficult for some newbs to germinate. Don't take my word for gospel though as I am still learning myself. As well, it is good to learn how to tell the sexes apart. And depending on where you live or who you know it could be to your advantage to have a male. Planted outside once it shows sex or somewhere else in your home. The pollen can be saved and stored for when you want it and you can just fertilize one bud for more seeds. quote]
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"I am loath to disagree with anything Jangel says (she is fast becoming the heart and soul of GP and derserves the nomination for High Priestess or something like that)....but I do think from my own experience that fem seeds have some advantages for the new small grower and should be strongly considered"

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I am not!!! Not a godly bone in my body! (well, maybe one, occasionally!) LOL! Feet of dirt I tell you!

I am truely flattered. Thank you scott. But as I said, I do not have the kind of experiance YOU have! DO NOT TAKE MY WORD AS GOSPEL! I just read a lot and am a nerd. Kinda. And a nearsighted nerd, thanks. Please do take other growers that have used feminized seeds as the gospel in this discourse. I can just tell you what I have read or experianced.

And thank you, sweetie, for the encouragement. You are pretty special too, Scott.
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Ditto Pine boy and Jangel. It is easier said than done though. So take a breath, smoke a joint and know we got your back.
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