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jangel · #41 (**permalink**) 06-05-2008, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by IceIceBaBy

guys, am i wrong to think that my clones in the trays are just slower than my mature mom? will they kick into gear soon? so far just pistols while you see the mom is workin on gumball sized budsites. whats the deal with this?

I would say it is age, Iceice. give them time. How much older is the mum?

And DWC, I really like that info on the MH. I have an MH and have been contemplating getting either an HPS conversion kit or a new HPS light. Don't have the money really but hey, I came this far and it cost me so I don't want to cheap out to flower them. And I am switching them to 12/12 SOON!

IceIceBaBy · #42 (**permalink**) 06-05-2008, 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by jangel

I would say it is age, Iceice. give them time. How much older is the mum?

And DWC, I really like that info on the MH. I have an MH and have been contemplating getting either an HPS conversion kit or a new HPS light. Don't have the money really but hey, I came this far and it cost me so I don't want to cheap out to flower them. And I am switching them to 12/12 SOON!

Jangel...the mom vegged for like 3 months while the clones from her and the other B52 mom only vegged for 2 weeks after being rooted. i hope you are right! they just look a lot slower than this momma...

it is probably nothing i should worry about but its kinda hard when i compare the results im seeing between the two. the mom is just a monster!

jangel · #43 (**permalink**) 06-06-2008, 07:47 AM

Just think of the difference in root size, Iceice. How COULD the plants be the same size no matter what if they don't have the same size roots? It will kick in once it grows bigger LEGS! (ROOTS)

IceIceBaBy · #44 (**permalink**) 06-07-2008, 04:08 PM

Jangel i hope you are right! i would like to think you are and that these clones are just slower b/c they were not as mature as the momma..so i will not worry unless they have not started bulking up a little more over the next couple weeks. here are some more pic's i just ran up and snapped while my girls are sleeping

IceIceBaBy · #45 (**permalink**) 06-07-2008, 04:10 PM

as you can see....the momma is bulking up so nicely while the clones are just slow and not putting on much weight at their bud sites. it is still only 23 days into flowering but im not sure what is going to come out of these clones if they do not start catching up to the momma soon.

IceIceBaBy · #46 (**permalink**) 06-07-2008, 04:50 PM

one more question for you guys...how much of a difference does it make having your light as close as u can to the tops of your plants? does this help them juice up faster and a lot more??

jangel · #47 (**permalink**) 06-07-2008, 06:32 PM

Definately. Okay, I know what planet I am on now, sorry, brain fart, no that was a brain cloud! Okay, depends how hot your lights are. Not too close if they are babies, do it slowly but I have mine about 10 inches from my mh. Those are not clones though, they are going to flower. Right up close to the flouros or t-5's. depends what they are under.

You might have to flower them longer if that is what they take to form the buds. Let the clones mature more under the light. I think it is roots and how long they are vegged bud. Need to veg longer for bigger plants. But they will still grow a lot in flower. Good experiment for us! Dif in bud with different veg times!

IceIceBaBy · #48 (**permalink**) 06-07-2008, 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by jangel

Definately. Okay, I know what planet I am on now, sorry, brain fart, no that was a brain cloud! Okay, depends how hot your lights are. Not too close if they are babies, do it slowly but I have mine about 10 inches from my mh. Those are not clones though, they are going to flower. Right up close to the flouros or t-5's. depends what they are under.

You might have to flower them longer if that is what they take to form the buds. Let the clones mature more under the light. I think it is roots and how long they are vegged bud. Need to veg longer for bigger plants. But they will still grow a lot in flower. Good experiment for us! Dif in bud with different veg times!

yea Jangel i think you are correct...they are not done the stretch i dont think at least, they have just grown another 5 inches over the last couple days. soon they should be done and put all their energy into buds! this is what im hoping for at least...but while these babies keep growing tall the momma is just bulking up..she is training for a weightlifting competition. all her energy is going straight to bud production!!!!! i love it...after this grow i think i am going to do away with the ebb n flow trays and get this system called an Ebb n Gro. Its an ebb n flow system with individual pots that connect to a 55 gallon res. reminds me of the drip system i am using for this mom but it is ebb n flow and all the pots run off the same res which is sweeeeet. makes it extra easy and you can get them nice and big like this mom i have. it comes with 12 pots and you can add up to 48! have any of you guys seen this system?

IceIceBaBy · #49 (**permalink**) 06-09-2008, 01:39 PM

guys i think this is nute burn on my mom...i raised her ppm maybe too high. will she be ok? i will flush with ph water and re do nutes at a lower level asap. please let me know if she will be ok after this.

IceIceBaBy · #50 (**permalink**) 06-09-2008, 01:41 PM

is she too hurt to repair? will she be ok after i flush and drop the ppm back down...i screwed up! is this mistake going to cost me?! i think this is the first signs i have seen..will she be able to bounce back and make a full recovery? should i cut the nute burned leaves off? she is 3 and a half weeks into flower.

Hobo · #51 (**permalink**) 06-09-2008, 01:46 PM

it looks kind of magnesium deficient and dried out and possibly light burnt... try foliar feeding every now and then with a light Epsom salt mix, a couple hours before your lights come on for the day.... is that burning only on the top parts of the plant.. on the top buds? try raising the lights a bit, or LST the plants.

Hobo · #52 (**permalink**) 06-09-2008, 01:55 PM

if you have 1000 watters... they have to be well controlled, and cant be tooo close to the tops, regardless of how much cooling you have... they can pennitrate, and will probably burn the crap out of the plants if your cooling or airflow fails for whatever reason, or temps in the room get out of control

ISO2BWELL · #53 (**permalink**) 06-09-2008, 01:59 PM

Ice:

Hobe seems to have covered the main issues...could be nute burn, light burn or both.

It is not the end, so no worries...they will survive this.

What I would do is first flush them clean...just nice ph'd H2O. Then, I would trim ALL those dead and dying leaves off...clean her up and make her pretty again...and those leaves are not serving the plant at all...in fact are a bunch of old baggage at this point she is having to drag around. If the leaves are damaged, trim 'em off and let her heal up for a couple days. Should be OK.

I agree with Hobo too...back the light off to about 18"-24" above the plants...let these gals rest a bit and rejuvinate...since your in mid-flower they should be fine...just let them get well.

ISO

IceIceBaBy · #54 (**permalink**) 06-09-2008, 05:42 PM

do you guys think she will recover ok? i am going to was out the res and re do nutes...maybe add some calmag to cover a possible mag deficiency. ill try to raise the light..maybe i will tie them down a little farther from it. ill drop the ppm by a couple hundred to where i have had her before and also i will trim off all those burnt leaves. i hope i didnt hurt her to badly..she was doing wonderful until this.

i just cant seem to get this right...

IceIceBaBy · #55 (**permalink**) 06-09-2008, 05:43 PM

thank you both for you're input...im sure she will turn around after i do all of the above. like i said though i just hope i didnt hurt her too badly

IceIceBaBy · #56 (**permalink**) 06-09-2008, 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by ISO2BWELL

Ice:

Hobe seems to have covered the main issues...could be nute burn, light burn or both.

It is not the end, so no worries...they will survive this.

What I would do is first flush them clean...just nice ph'd H2O. Then, I would trim ALL those dead and dying leaves off...clean her up and make her pretty again...and those leaves are not serving the plant at all...in fact are a bunch of old baggage at this point she is having to drag around. If the leaves are damaged, trim 'em off and let her heal up for a couple days. Should be OK.

I agree with Hobo too...back the light off to about 18"-24" above the plants...let these gals rest a bit and rejuvinate...since your in mid-flower they should be fine...just let them get well.

ISO

ISO and Hobo thank you guys. Do you think i should run just ph'ed water through her drip system for a night? or should i go back to the nute strength that i was previously at that she thrived on? what do ya'll think? i am cutting off all the leaves that have been burned. i think this is strictly nute burn...i have been good with the heat from the light so far and the plant has not grown much at all anymore so i dont think that is the issue.

will she bounce back within a couple hours or will it take a few days?

jangel · #57 (**permalink**) 06-09-2008, 08:32 PM

How's your baby doing Iceice? You ARE having the gamit of troubles! You poor guy! She will be okay, I am sure. Let us know.

IceIceBaBy · #58 (**permalink**) 06-09-2008, 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by jangel

How's your baby doing Iceice? You ARE having the gamit of troubles! You poor guy! She will be okay, I am sure. Let us know.

Jangel i know i have terrible luck...what happened was i raised the ppm to see what she could handle and she did in fact handle it but when she drank a lot of the water down the PPM spiked..i should have changed her sooner i did not think she would down it that fast.

it must have happened over night...really upsetting though. i have been running her drip system on just ph'ed water for the last couple hours and clipped off all of her burned leaves. i am hoping she is not going to suffer that much....

do you guys think i should run water over night or re do her nutes at a lower level?

hopefully my luck turns around........

5 and a half more weeks..i hope...

#59 (**permalink**) 06-10-2008, 03:22 AM

ide say,
"give her a flush with ph water, leave the nuits out for a day or two then start with some weaker solution and work you way back up to you normal level"

jangel · #60 (**permalink**) 06-10-2008, 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by HighPhi

ide say,
"give her a flush with ph water, leave the nuits out for a day or two then start with some weaker solution and work you way back up to you normal level"

...what he said! No idea about hydro Iceice. Good luck!