Translate GreenPassion (powered by Google) | Beginner's Questions and Answers Please read the FAQs and use the search feature to answer basic questions. If you have no luck with those options, then post here. | 
08-05-2008, 12:20 AM
| | Tokin & smokin | | Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 76
Thanks: 9 Thanked 17 Times in 7 Posts
Rep Power: 103 | | Lighting??Im so confused
OK i have been looking into lighting systems cause i have been told a 600w HPS system is the best way to go for my grow closet. Now i know i need a 600w HPS bulb, but what do these ballast things do? Does it cool my bulb or is that a whole other thing i have to buy? I am so lost on all of this any help at all i very much appericated. Thanks.Peace.
| 
08-05-2008, 12:29 AM
|  | Tokin & smokin | | Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Cave Country USA
Posts: 63
Thanks: 16 Thanked 15 Times in 13 Posts
Rep Power: 93 | |
A ballast keeps the current flow thru your bulb constant. Your household electricity(AC) pulses if you will, 60 times per second( This is what is meant by Hertz or Hz) The ballast ballances out this pulse. No it does not cool the bulb that I know of, so you need lots of moving air, FANS....Good luck, we are here to help
__________________ Shit happens when u party naked! This Is All Fake, I lie and talk about things I find on the internet. | 
08-05-2008, 12:33 AM
|  | Medicine man | | Join Date: Jun 2008
Posts: 495
Thanks: 242 Thanked 314 Times in 198 Posts
Rep Power: 142 | |
Hey Fly.. the ballast is the part makes the bulb actually work and does not cool it. Check out the section on electronic ballasts on wikipedia.. Electrical ballast - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
I think a lot of people like to cool tube style reflectors and a remote ballast. The cooltube lets you draw air through the tube.. usually about a 6" one.. and over the bulb.. then out of the grow area. That way.. you have no heat issues.
If you look on hidhut.com they have some under the lighting kits i believe..
| 
08-05-2008, 12:35 AM
| | Tokin & smokin | | Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 76
Thanks: 9 Thanked 17 Times in 7 Posts
Rep Power: 103 | |
I have been looking on ebay and found a 600w lighting system here.
Now it says its an air cooled grow light so i assume that would mean it cools itself, but i have no idea if i need to hook a fan up to it or something along those lines, or does it just do it all by itself? Now if it cools itself does the ballast like regulate electricity or something?.Thanks.Peace. | 
08-05-2008, 12:36 AM
|  | Medicine man | | Join Date: Jun 2008
Posts: 495
Thanks: 242 Thanked 314 Times in 198 Posts
Rep Power: 142 | |
I was thinking something like this maybe? This is only a 400W.. but you get the idea. 400W HPS Digital Ballast, Bulb and Glass Tube Reflector Combo
I bought one with a built in ballast and they are heavy.. so a pain in the ass to raise and lower. In hindsight, the remote ballast would be better in my opinion.
| 
08-05-2008, 12:38 AM
| | Tokin & smokin | | Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 76
Thanks: 9 Thanked 17 Times in 7 Posts
Rep Power: 103 | |
Thanks a lot guys you really cleared things up for me and im more confident about this whole lighting situation.
| 
08-05-2008, 12:38 AM
|  | Medicine man | | Join Date: Jun 2008
Posts: 495
Thanks: 242 Thanked 314 Times in 198 Posts
Rep Power: 142 | |
That one is "air coolable" meaning you need to hookup a seperate fan to pull air over it. I did so with mine and it works well.. Quote:
Originally Posted by Flyarmy2007 I have been looking on ebay and found a 600w lighting system here.
Now it says its an air cooled grow light so i assume that would mean it cools itself, but i have no idea if i need to hook a fan up to it or something along those lines, or does it just do it all by itself? Now if it cools itself does the ballast like regulate electricity or something?.Thanks.Peace. | | 
08-05-2008, 12:44 AM
|  | Tokin & smokin | | Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Cave Country USA
Posts: 63
Thanks: 16 Thanked 15 Times in 13 Posts
Rep Power: 93 | |
The "air cooled" usually means the reflector(hood unit) has a built in fitting on the outside where you attach a squirrel cage fan and a duct to blow air across the tube. Yes the ballast only regulates the flow of electricity... explained a little bit more in my first reply. Also there are two types of ballasts on the market today...digital and magnetic. Not sure if one is better than the other( I am a CFL guy personally because of space and heat issues, CFL's are all self ballast bulbs.) I do know that the digital ones are a little more pricey.
__________________ Shit happens when u party naked! This Is All Fake, I lie and talk about things I find on the internet. | 
08-05-2008, 12:50 AM
| | Medicine man | | Join Date: Jun 2008
Posts: 374
Thanks: 266 Thanked 124 Times in 70 Posts
Rep Power: 101 | |
What ever type of reflector you get, you will need to cool it. A 600watt light in a closet will need a good size fan to keep temps down. There's a formula in the faq section to calculate what size fan you will need. From my mistakes I have learned to then go one size bigger. Im sure you'll find many people here who are on their second or third fans, cause the first ones just were'nt big enough.
| 
08-05-2008, 01:02 AM
| | Tokin & smokin | | Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 76
Thanks: 9 Thanked 17 Times in 7 Posts
Rep Power: 103 | |
. So the whole point of the fan is to cool the incoming air into the box so that cooler air is going towards my lights and plants right? and doing the formula i should use a 500CFM fan using Fman's idea of going a size up. Should i mount the fan on the top of my box where i can put an intake or on the bottom of the box for intake, or would the location of the fan not matter at all?Thanks.Peace.
| 
08-05-2008, 01:12 AM
| | Medicine man | | Join Date: Jun 2008
Posts: 374
Thanks: 266 Thanked 124 Times in 70 Posts
Rep Power: 101 | |
Most people, feel the fan should be in line,with ducting, after the light, drawing cool air from an outside source past the light ,then exhausted outside.( Hope that makes sense. ) check out some of the grow room pics in the gallery. there are alot of good pics of light cooling set-ups You really should have two systems, one for the room, bringing in fresh air for the plants , and one to cool the light. Of course thats just what I think, and Ive made so many mistakes with my room I probebly should not be giving advise.
Last edited by Fman; 08-05-2008 at 01:20 AM.
| 
08-05-2008, 03:21 AM
|  | Has many harvests | | Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: 'Tween a Rock and a Hard Spot..
Posts: 2,944
Thanks: 421 Thanked 1,010 Times in 561 Posts
Rep Power: 265 | |
Flyarmy,
To sve yourself a lot of grief, spend some time here on the site in the old OverGrow FAQ and the Greenpassion FAQ. Both are loaded with info to help you understand lighting, etc. Some excellent tutorials in there as well.
I do understand how you feel...and right now it seems to you that all growers talk in a unique language...well, they do..  Don't worry though, you'll catch on quick. Do a lot of reading, spend time with your plants enhacing your growing skills, and that learning curve will steepen sharply...I have no doubts that soon enough you'll be right up to speed.
ISO
__________________ The Essence of Compassion "Resolve to be tender with the young, Compassionate with the aged, Sympathetic with the striving and tolerant of the weak and wrong...... ...... because sometime in your life you have been guilty of all of these." | 
08-05-2008, 09:07 AM
|  | "25 Cents, Cheap" | | Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Great White North
Posts: 37
Thanks: 11 Thanked 20 Times in 15 Posts
Rep Power: 72 | | A few years ago I did a closet grow. I found that an exhaust fan with a passive intake (just a hole for air )worked. The air flow would go- in through hole (near floor level) into fixture, out through fan to exhaust (near top of closet) hope this helps. Also I would try to find a remote ballasted lamp as this allows you to put ballast outside of closet, the ballast produces a fair amount of heat. I learned this lesson the hard way. my first HID light was integral with ballast, and , aside from weight issues, put a lot of excess heat into the closet. I had to take it apart and rewire it, a job I don't advise if you are not experianced in electrical work. Good luck!
__________________ "Whats so funny about Peace, Love and Understanding?" "What,Me Worry?" | | The Following User Says Thank You to Jimmyspaz For This Useful Post: | | 
08-05-2008, 09:30 AM
| | Tokin & smokin | | Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 76
Thanks: 9 Thanked 17 Times in 7 Posts
Rep Power: 103 | |
GP is awesome! you guys rock thanks for all the info | | The Following User Says Thank You to Flyarmy2007 For This Useful Post: | | | Thread Tools | | | | Display Modes | Linear Mode |
Posting Rules
| You may not post new threads You may not post replies You may not post attachments You may not edit your posts HTML code is Off | | | All times are GMT -4. The time now is 07:00 PM. |