Everyone is telling me that hydroponics is the way to grow, because of better quality and faster, bigger yealdsmoney.gif.

Quality will not be improved, but the yields are larger on the whole with hydro grows. "Veg" times may be a bit faster, but flowering takes "x" amount of time whether you grow hydro or in soil/any other medium.

There's a bit of a learning curve and you MUST buy specific equipment (pH pen/ppm pen, pH up/down/etc.) but "hydro" is extremely do-able for most growers if they approach it using tried/true techniques. (not the place for folks who think "I'll try THIS because i don't have THAT...")

good luck

ww

I have done quite alot of research, and put just as much thought into this new venture. From what i understand, there are three types of hydro, aroponics, bubbleponics, and ebb and flow. which of the types is the most user friendly for a begginer, and where should i get the netruitents from? Everyone advertises that they have the best, I would like to hear some feed back from first hand experience from growers like me.

Don't forget hempy buckets which is essentially a manual feed hydro method. Very cheap starting cost, all you need are hydro nutes, perlite (and vermiculite but you skip this if you don't have any) and buckets. It's about as easy as it gets and yields are meant to be similar to standard hydro grows. Hempy Bucket Method

I'm using this on my first grow at the moment so I'm afraid I have nothing to compare it to but it has been very straight forward.

Hey brother,

I'm a new grower and I've found Hydro to be a breeze (so far...keeping fingers crossed) and it doesn't take much money to get your first system going. Read all the info you can and talk to the resident hydro masters (Hatch, Toke & 4evergreen and probably a few others I'm not aware of yet). They're here to help us newbies and they enjoy teaching others.

This is a personal opinion based on personal experiences; Don't go the Hempy route unless you want to watch your plants grow slow and puny. Even after their roots reach the res they grow slowly. I used a mix of pearlite & vermiculite (75%/25%), straight pearlite, etc., and still got slow and puny growth. My temps were good, Ph on the money, humidity perfect, lights were fine, etc. and still no luck. It could have been my fault because of inexperience but I don't think so. Since I've switched to a DWC bubbler growth is explosive and the girls are seriously healthy.

Daithi,

I apologize if it seems like I'm trying to down Hempy cups/buckets. That's not my intent. I just want to warn new growers that they might have a bunch of problems they would otherwise avoid if they went in another direction. I've heard of many people who had great success with Hempy. I just wasn't one of them. All Hempy growers tend to report slow growth in the beginning until the roots reach the res. I say why wait for accelerated growth if you can experience it from the very beginning?

Have you had good luck with Hempy Buckets?

-the Corsican.

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No worries Corsican, just wanted to give another option. No denying it starts of slow but once it got going it's fairly close to my only other previous grow which were all males in soil. How it compares to a proper hydro grow I have no idea.

Good to know you're cool.

I didn't want you to be angry with my comment. I just wanted to put my experience with Hempy out there. It may have been me I just can't pinpoint what I did wrong. Even when the roots reached the res growth was slow for me. Odd huh? I've seen some really nice plants in Hempy buckets I just didn't have any success. Since trying DWC I am hooked and amazed at the growth rate and health of my plants. It was very easy to build a Bubbler too, you should give it a try, even if it's just a 2 gallon Bubbler. It might be something you wind up liking. It's pretty enjoyable too!

-the Corsican.

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"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke.

"If at first you don't succeed, it wont hurt to smoke a little weed!"

Could have been the strain you were growing I suppose, I'm growing Wembleys and Nefertitis (both from pyramid seeds) and my Wembleys are looking great while the Nefs are looking fairly miserable if I'm honest.
I'd imagine a proper hydro grow will be by next step as I've definitely caught the bug, but i've promised myself I'll stick with hempys for a few grows at least. From what i've read about hydro, things can go very wrong very quickly, hempys provide me with a buffer while I learn to gauge the plants health with my own eyes.

Nope,

I transplanted the same seedlings into my DWC bubbler and they are thriving and have grown more in a week then they did in almost three weeks in Hempy cups! They increased in size by at least 500%, no joke. I'll be adding a link to my grow journal and updating the journal in the next few hours (if everything goes as planned).

I thought the same thing and that's why I started out with Hempy. But since I switched to active hydroponics (Hempy is passive) I'm sold. Everything is better and it's fun to watch them get bigger over night. You're selling yourself short with Hempy I think. You'll find out when you switch over.

-the Corsican.

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"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke.

"If at first you don't succeed, it wont hurt to smoke a little weed!"

Hydroponic grown cannabis imo is worse than soil organic grown.

Same strain, side by side. Both properly grown, organic is always better. Ill admit, 1st few weeks are slower. But the quality of the erb in the end makes up for it.

You can flush out all you want. You can dump in as many chemical flavor additives as you want. That doesnt change the fact that its been grown 2 months with chemicals.

Not to mention I dont even need to worry about ph or ppm.

If you cant get the same yields with organics as chems then your doing the organic part wrong.

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After 15 years of soil only growing....all organic....I know what the yields are in organics..in soil. They aren't hydro yields by any means.

but hey...maybe you have it far more wired than the rest of us dumb hydro guys with our chems. I'll gladly switch back to soil and I truly love organics (I owned an organic gardening store once)..... but before I make the switch back....

Let's see some pics to back up these hefty/lofty claims, stony.

Catergory: Indoors.

Fertilizer: Organic.

A photo of a plant that yielded a pound or more that you've grown indoors in soil with organic fertilizers will suffice. Any strain.

post em up and show us how ya did it.

ww

Well I never grew one plant big enough to produce a pound. I prefer smaller plants. I like them 1-2 feet at harvest. Unless you have good side lighting, I consider going over 3 feet pointless due to lack of light penetration.

Sorry your soil doesnt produce as much as your hydro plants. But please, dont put words into my mouth.

I never said dumb chem or dumb hydro guys or whatever. I gave my opinion on the quality of chemical grown or organic grown. Sorry you didnt like it.

And a pound a plant? That will prove something? If I had a 1000 watt setup and 2 months veg i could show you a pound and a half or more, but I dont do that...

All I can do is show you this. Its from a 600 watt hps. Wieghed around 17-18 ounces. Dont quite remember. All organic. I dont smoke. Its just for comparison.

Im not trying to argue about hydro vs soil. Smoke a joint besides trying to make the new guy look dumb.

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I'm growing using organic nutes dude. It's all opinion in the end. A skilled grower can produce hydro that you would think was organic. Most people wouldn't be able to tell the difference in a blind test.

-the Corsican.

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"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke.

"If at first you don't succeed, it wont hurt to smoke a little weed!"

I'm not trying to put words in your mouth.

You made the specific claim that if you can't yield the same in organics as chems you are doing something wrong and I asked you to back said claim up. If you can..great...I want to see how it's done. If you can't, WHY make such a claim?

FWIW....I >>have<< grown a one pounder....16.6 ounces to be precise....in hydro (DWC)...under a 600 watt light. (Sour diesel IBL) I gave her a 2 week veg and 9 weeks of flower time for this yield.....FWIW.

Yes it was a chem grow. The plant knows no difference....except that it grows much fuller and faster....and as corsican said...when I made the switch from soil/organics to hydro/chems not ONE of about 20 end users said "this is a substandard product..it MUST be hydro bud grown in chemicals".

I'm not busting yer chops, bro. I grew in soil exclusively with guano and trichoderma and beneficials and all the rest...all organic...for 15+ years before making the switch. i had the same opinion about hydro bud until i grew hydro and saw that I could get just as frosty of buds....and 10X the quantity of em (or more) from each harvest.

Again...just asking for some backing on the claims made that so many read and sometimes...be;lieve as truth and mistakenly pass on to others.

and hey...did you say you don't smoke?

I rest my case.

ww

yes, I dont smoke ciggs....

I smoke pot. Dont worry. And all the pot ive smoked I can tell what it was grown with by the taste. Chems or organics. Plant knows no difference? THen why does one need to be in a selected range while the other lets nature take course.

I dont see why I should try to prove organic grown yields as much. Prove to me it doesnt. lol

Perhaps you were just phing that organic water a bit too much. lol

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You can't back your words up so you try to lay it back on me to prove your own statements?

That's all the proof that is needed. Conversation over.

LOL is right.

happy growing

ww

Lol, you want me to post a picture of one plant that produced a pound using organics. I TOLD YOU I dont grow large plants. Sorry I cant make a 1 footer grow a pound.

I showed you my harvest from a 600 watt hps. Thats the best I can do.

Besides, I have nothing to prove to your ass. You want me to post a picture to prove organics are as good as chems? I want YOU TO POST ONE PROVING CHEMS ARE BETTER. Whats the difference? Im not here to please your chemical loving ass.

Ive backed my own words up buddy. You just keep putting new ones in my mouth.

Now its over. Hope your joints stay lit.

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Heya buddy.

Ask and ye shall recieve, s-a.
600 watts hps

GH Maxi Series nutrients

pH 5.6-6.3

16.6 ounces - Sour Diesel IBL (Reservoir Seeds)

2 weeks veg - 9 weeks flower - 10 day flush

She probably would have yielded more but the mites came to town mid-Summer. The white residue is a dried spray I shot her with consisting of a small bit of flour mixed with water and 91% isoprophyl alcohol.

Smelled and tasted like Countrytyme lemonade mixed up with diesel fuel.


Now what was it you were saying stoney-trees?

something about doing the organic part "wrong" if you can't get the same yield as chems with organics?

Hmmmmm.......I think you may be right! Have you figured out where it is that yer screwing up yet?

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nice pic!!

LOL. Dude, you are like a troll.

I posted my opinion to a question. Quit argueing over chems vs organic.

You got 1 pound. I got 1 pound 2 ounces. I dont see how your chems are kicking my ass????

Want a cookie? ****ing trolls.

Dont be pissed your using chems and not yieldingmore than organic soil growers. Because I know you are

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