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Old 09-06-2008, 04:22 AM   #1 (permalink)
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how much heat does a 250hps give? If i were to vent the exhausted air into the ambient air, will it create a temp influx causing temp increase within my grow cab? If so, what about a $150HPS?
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Wink you would raise the ambient temperature

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how much heat does a 250hps give? If i were to vent the exhausted air into the ambient air, will it create a temp influx causing temp increase within my grow cab? If so, what about a $150HPS?
in the room you are exhausting into unless that is vented. eventually the temp inside the grow cab and the room would be the same. It may take a loong time if the room is big. the 250 would heat it up faster. remember the room will cool when the lights are off too.hope this helps.
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Check-out the info in the GP FAQ
What size vent fan do I need
Here’s how you can calculate the amount of ventilation you need. If for instance you wanted to keep you grow room temperature from getting any more than 5° warmer than the intake air temperature, and you were using 400 watts of power, you’d make the calculation below in blue. The chart is based on the following formula. It is a well-established heat transfer formula.


(3.2 × 400) ÷ 5 = 256

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how much heat does a 250hps give? If i were to vent the exhausted air into the ambient air, will it create a temp influx causing temp increase within my grow cab? If so, what about a $150HPS?

I'm confused by your question Kai

I think you mean venting the air out of the cab, if so 250w and 150w are not very hot. You can help heat issues by
increasing the CFM vented
increasing the size of the intake

For both heat and getting healthy fresh air to the plants I like to make sure (and many recommend) exchanging the air completely every five minutes at the minimum

you can use an online calculator to find out the needed CFM's to acccomplish this

here is one of many such calculators found online
http://cheaphydroponics.com/Merchant2/cfmcalc.htm

and from our overgrow FAQ http://www.greenpassion.org/1635.html

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sorry for the confusion. I am doing a cab grow. i hope to use a 250 HPS inside the cab, but i need to exhaust both air from the cab and the heat from the light into the room i have the cab in...So, if i were to exhaust the heat into the room how much would the ambient temperature rise?
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sorry for the confusion. I am doing a cab grow. i hope to use a 250 HPS inside the cab, but i need to exhaust both air from the cab and the heat from the light into the room i have the cab in...So, if i were to exhaust the heat into the room how much would the ambient temperature rise?
How about using your cooltube as a cabinet exhaust system
Have your exhaust /cooling fan suck/blow the air thru the cool tube on its way out...


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I understand what you want. I hope this pic. helps. The intake air that is coming in from under the house is 76*. There is a 200 mh cfm 25' away pushing air to my room. The exhaust fan is a 350cfm drawing the hot air out the roof of my room. Where are you going to get your fresh air from? If you are going to get your intake from the same place your exhausting into, you might find that to be a problem. As you can see my 250mh is 90* and thats with cooler air blowing over it . I hope this helps. Also I included pics of my air ducts . Both the room and light are cooled from the same plenum, thats behind the wall on the floor. I know a mh is not a hps, but I dont think there is much difference in heat. Watts is watts. And that is where the heat come from (I think).

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sorry for the confusion. I am doing a cab grow. i hope to use a 250 HPS inside the cab, but i need to exhaust both air from the cab and the heat from the light into the room i have the cab in...So, if i were to exhaust the heat into the room how much would the ambient temperature rise?
I get it now, you want to know how much the heat in your room, not your cab, would rise....correct?

In a sealed environment your room and cab would eventually reach the same temp...one of those thermodynamic priciples....but rooms are far from perfectly sealed and the lights are cycling on and off so I can't predict the rise with any accuracy...but I never head of exhaust heat from a 250w cab ever causing a problem...the heat should disapate quickly if the cab is venting into a room bigger than a closet...is that what you are trying to find out?
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very nice post fman!
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I understand what you want. I hope this pic. helps. The intake air that is coming in from under the house is 76*. There is a 200 mh cfm 25' away pushing air to my room. The exhaust fan is a 350cfm drawing the hot air out the roof of my room. Where are you going to get your fresh air from? If you are going to get your intake from the same place your exhausting into, you might find that to be a problem. As you can see my 250mh is 90* and thats with cooler air blowing over it . I hope this helps. Also I included pics of my air ducts . Both the room and light are cooled from the same plenum, thats behind the wall on the floor. I know a mh is not a hps, but I dont think there is much difference in heat. Watts is watts. And that is where the heat come from (I think).

watts is the capacity to do work...in a light bulb the watts do two things...give off light and heat....in efficient bulbs the ratio of light to heat is high...in less efficient bulbs the ratio of light to heat is low...so watt is watts but large hid watts are less heat per watt and more light per watt than most other commercially available lighting

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I understand what you want. I hope this pic. helps. The intake air that is coming in from under the house is 76*. There is a 200 mh cfm 25' away pushing air to my room. The exhaust fan is a 350cfm drawing the hot air out the roof of my room. Where are you going to get your fresh air from? If you are going to get your intake from the same place your exhausting into, you might find that to be a problem. As you can see my 250mh is 90* and thats with cooler air blowing over it . I hope this helps. Also I included pics of my air ducts . Both the room and light are cooled from the same plenum, thats behind the wall on the floor. I know a mh is not a hps, but I dont think there is much difference in heat. Watts is watts. And that is where the heat come from (I think).

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Damn...That's a crazy set-up...very clean and detailed. Thank you for the reply, but what you have going I think is what i have planned for my "plan D" (down the line).

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I get it now, you want to know how much the heat in your room, not your cab, would rise....correct?

In a sealed environment your room and cab would eventually reach the same temp...one of those thermodynamic priciples....but rooms are far from perfectly sealed and the lights are cycling on and off so I can't predict the rise with any accuracy...but I never head of exhaust heat from a 250w cab ever causing a problem...the heat should disapate quickly if the cab is venting into a room bigger than a closet...is that what you are trying to find out?

yes, this is what i was asking. Thank you. I couldn't find anyone who explained this set up and if it works.

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