well since i wasn't dissing boxing an since i understand it quite well saying what you said is bullshit....the threads title is fight fans so i thought you meant all fighting not limiting to just boxing my bad...but when you give your opinion ima give mine to...so when i say theirs more science to grpling swinging kicking elbowing an submission moves..to just lets says swinging fainting leading(which by the way is in mma as well)...also as you can see i also hadsaid i liked k1 an mui tie which has its differences from mma...peace